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Session Start: Sun Oct 03 20:23:28 2004
Session Ident: #audiocourses
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<Audiocourses> hi
<kewell> hi
<kewell> well i made it
<Audiocourses> good for you!
<kewell> will post my answers tomorrow still have two questions to do
<Audiocourses> ok
<Audiocourses> glad you are tackling both modules :)
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<kewell> ye had to catch up with ben this week
<kewell> hi ben
<ben_m> hi kewell
<kewell> its seanm really
<ben_m> ah right, hi seanm
<kewell> wouldn't let me have seanm and i'm not a liverpool fan
<ben_m> was going to ask if you were harry
<kewell> i wish we still had im tho
<ben_m> leeds fan?
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<kewell> hi instinct thanks for trying to help me last wk
<kewell> sadly a leeds fan
<ben_m> ouch
<kewell> well 17th in div 2 is real fun
<iNSTiNCT2765> sup people..hey man, its all good
<ben_m> 'the championship' you mean!
<kewell> lol
<kewell> i know div 2 when i see it!
<ben_m> hehe
<kewell> now now people in glass houses
<ben_m> by xmas we'll be firing on all cylinders
<ben_m> i hope....
<kewell> spose so
<ben_m> brb
<kewell> brb?
<Audiocourses> means be right back
<kewell> oh you chat boys eh
<ben_m> back
<Audiocourses> how's it going ben?
<ben_m> not too bad
<ben_m> feeling a bit under the weather today
<ben_m> but ok apart from that
<Audiocourses> me 2 as it goes.
<ben_m> you?
<Audiocourses> slight fever here
<ben_m> that time of year i guess
<Audiocourses> yeah I guess so, had some good fresh air today though.
<ben_m> rugby?
<Audiocourses> yes friendly though league starts next week
<Audiocourses> they start later her
<Audiocourses> here
<Audiocourses> I was watching anyway due to a slight trapped nerve giving me some grief
<ben_m> sounds painful
<Audiocourses> it was...
<Audiocourses> almost recovered now
<kewell> ben can i ask about something in synthesis this week?
<ben_m> what about the questions?
<kewell> got a bit confused with additive some sources said fm was additive others that its fm
<ben_m> yes a lot of sources use FM and additive as the same thing
<kewell> is it though?
<ben_m> not exactly
<ben_m> you'll have more questions on it this week so don't want to give to much away
<ben_m> but
<kewell> ok i'll leave it for now
<ben_m> i could post a couple of links
<ben_m> in the forum
<kewell> please do
<ben_m> you may find that some FM synths actually implement FM synthesis and additive synthesis
<ben_m> to allow refinement of the sound
<kewell> oh
<ben_m> hence the fact that sometimes you'll see additive and FM lumped together
<kewell> right
<ben_m> the main point of additive synthesis is that you aren't sstripping sound away
<ben_m> like you are with subtractive synthesis (i.e. osc->filter)
<kewell> ye
<kewell> isn't additive maths?
<ben_m> how do you mean?
<kewell> serious number crunching
<ben_m> well, yes it is based on mathematica principles
<kewell> like physical modelling
<ben_m> some pretty complex ones
<ben_m> but
<ben_m> additive synthesis can be acheived on analogue synths
<kewell> go on
<ben_m> in a very basic manner
<ben_m> wel, if your synth has more that 2 osc
<ben_m> and you set them to different tunings for instance
<ben_m> then that is in fact a (very)basic form of additive synthesis
<kewell> similar to fm in that sense?
<ben_m> kind of yes
<ben_m> but nearer additive synthesis
<ben_m> with additive synthesis you are working with a lot of variables
<kewell> thanks ben
<ben_m> i'll post some links in the forum as it is a very large subjecy
<ben_m> you won't need to know the principles inside out
<kewell> thanks
<kewell> no appreciate that just want to understand for myself you know
<ben_m> maybe a good starting point would be to have a look on the net and see how sounds can be constructed using multiple sine waves
<kewell> ok
<ben_m> thats qute a fundamental element
<kewell> thanks
<iNSTiNCT2765> ill be right back, gotta make myself a cup of coffee...
<Audiocourses> was just about to ask how you were instinct
<kewell> i've sent him to sleep
<ben_m> hehe
<Audiocourses> you may as well make the most of the time sean
<iNSTiNCT2765> nah, just didnt get enough sleep last night... brb ;-)
<Audiocourses> ive had a couple sick notes of a couple students this week.
<kewell> right
<ben_m> everyones ill
<ben_m> :(
<Audiocourses> yeah seems so
<kewell> while i think on i'm away for three days this week so my work will be late
<kewell> that ok
<Audiocourses> no good practise
<Audiocourses> not good rather
<Audiocourses> as we obviously focus on the weeks topics here.
<kewell> i know but business is business
<Audiocourses> so please do try hard to get things complete in time.
<kewell> i will
<kewell> i don't want to get behind
<Audiocourses> that's good to hear.
<kewell> it's hard enough already
<Audiocourses> good :)
<kewell> but very good it's giving me a focus
<kewell> i know so little about so much it's really helping to focus my learning
<iNSTiNCT2765> back..i love my instant nescafe
<Audiocourses> inst = yuck
<kewell> ditto
<Audiocourses> sean that's great
<kewell> wot the coffeee
<Audiocourses> no, your focus
<Audiocourses> the coffee is crap
<kewell> yeh
<ben_m> sean - whilst you've got the workshop to yourself there are a couple of things from your computer questions (wk 2) we could bring up
<kewell> please do
<iNSTiNCT2765> the coffee is the best man..
<ben_m> ok
<Audiocourses> inst you wanna get out a bit more hehe
<ben_m> first off your answer to
<ben_m> Name the primary differences between 'consumer' and 'professional' soundcards.
<kewell> ye
<ben_m> Rather than phono inputs professional soundcards have balanced (XLR) 1/4in inputs
<ben_m> be careful here
<ben_m> XLR is a type of connection
<kewell> sorry i meant they have both
<ben_m> so is 1/4"
<ben_m> both can be balanced
<kewell> or can have
<iNSTiNCT2765> i've been out plenty chris...but i always come home to my nescafe
<ben_m> ah right
<ben_m> ok
<kewell> ah yes
<ben_m> another thing
<kewell> go on#
<ben_m> How many minutes of stereo CD-quality digital audio can be stored in a 1 Gigabyte hard disk partition, approximately?
<ben_m> CD quality is 44.1khz sampling rate in 16bit stereo. Approx 2 megabyte per minute therefore approximately 100 minutes.
<iNSTiNCT2765> anywayz, chris i posted my questions today but there's some i didnt manage to answer cause i couldnt find info plus i've been strapped for time cause my computer decided to die on me...just got a new laptop yesterday
<ben_m> couple of errors in there
<kewell> wot did i say
<ben_m> well, the second error is eventually inconsequential
<ben_m> but
<ben_m> IF stereo audio was 2mb per minute
<ben_m> then 1 gig (1000mb)
<ben_m> would hold more than 100mins
<ben_m> BUT
<ben_m> stereo digital audio at 44/16 takes up more space than 2mb per minute
<ben_m> do you want to go through the sum here?
<kewell> please
<ben_m> ok
<ben_m> sample rate = 44100
<ben_m> bit depth = 16
<ben_m> time = 60(secs)
<ben_m> multiple these together
<ben_m> 44100 x 60 x 16
<ben_m> 42336000
<ben_m> this figure is bits
<ben_m> we want to work in bytes
<ben_m> 8 bits in a byte
<ben_m> so
<ben_m> 014233600 / 8
<ben_m> 5292000bytes
<ben_m> or 5.29MB
<ben_m> BUT
<ben_m> this is only mono
<ben_m> stereo is 2 mono channels
<ben_m> so we multiple
<ben_m> 5292000 x 2
<ben_m> 10584000
<ben_m> 10.584MB#
<ben_m> MB
<ben_m> -
<ben_m> so aprox 10MB per minute
<ben_m> a 1GB drive holds 1000MB
<ben_m> so 1000 / 10
<ben_m> 100mins (aprox)
<ben_m> of stereo 44.1/16 audio
<ben_m> do you follow that?
<kewell> yes i guessed
<ben_m> all you need to remember is
<ben_m> (freq x bit rate x seconds) /8
<ben_m> x2 if working with stereo
<kewell> thanks ben anything else?
<ben_m> don't think so, let me have one last browse
<kewell> ok
<ben_m> on the question regarding 64 bit CPUs
<kewell> what
<kewell> ok
<Audiocourses> Instinct i checked your answers and left some feedback.
<ben_m> Explain the advantages of newer 64-bit processors.
<ben_m> Explain the advantages of newer 64-bit processors.
<ben_m> oops
<ben_m> 64 bit processors can support up to eight CPU’s in one machine. Some are able to support more RAM.
<kewell> ye
<ben_m> These are advantages, but these are peripheral advantages
<kewell> go on
<ben_m> the real advantage is the extra performance from the processor
<ben_m> again, there's not really the time here to go into the mathematics
<iNSTiNCT2765> hey chris.. i found something on the 1630 U-Matic system.. its kind of like a DAT machine but it records digital audio onto U-Matic video cassettes kinda
<ben_m> or the way that they would handle code
<kewell> i'll check it out
<Audiocourses> yeah
<Audiocourses> important (was) for CD mastering
<ben_m> do that - look for the data stream
<kewell> data stream ok
<ben_m> that should be starting point
<iNSTiNCT2765> not used anymore?
<kewell> THANKS
<kewell> oops
<ben_m> hehe
<Audiocourses> Yes hehe
<Audiocourses> two dialogues now
<Audiocourses> I'll post some links in the forum
<Audiocourses> gather some now for you
<iNSTiNCT2765> aight thanks
<Audiocourses> http://www.tc.umn.edu/~erick205/Papers/paper.html
<Audiocourses> is great still
<kewell> ben my synthesis stuff ok
<ben_m> seanm - pretty much
<ben_m> there are a couple of minor things that could be changed
<kewell> go on
<ben_m> give me a sec
<iNSTiNCT2765> yeah i got that page bookmarked... guess i gotta read it a couple times for it to sink in
<Audiocourses> k
<kewell> wot me?
<ben_m> seanm
<ben_m> sorry for that delay
<ben_m> on synthesis 1
<kewell> ok
<ben_m> Which types of synthesiser are most suited to which applications?
<kewell> ye got in amess with that?
<ben_m> couple of mistakes in there
<ben_m> ok you were correct with
<ben_m> Physical modelling, Emulation of acoustic instruments
<ben_m> FM Tinkly electric piano sounds,
<ben_m> however, and maybe it's not too clear in the question is that you only need to use each application once
<Audiocourses> [instinct] added some links now
<kewell> arrr
<ben_m> but you got 2 right straight off
<ben_m> and you were close with others
<ben_m> i.e.
<ben_m> you put
<kewell> yeh but i missed dx7 on totp everyweek
<ben_m> Analogue 1960’s Sci-Fi film soundtrack, 1980s synth pop music
<ben_m> hehe
<kewell> hold it
<kewell> daf human league?
<ben_m> daf?
<kewell> german
<kewell> dance with mussolini
<Audiocourses> sounds italian now
<kewell> synth pop tuning all over the shop analogue
<ben_m> hehe
<kewell> take your point though
<ben_m> yeah, in this case 60s sci-fi is analogue
<ben_m> 80s synth pop is sample+synth
<ben_m> wavetable is versatile workstation keyboard
<ben_m> so if this question came up in the exam just remember its one application per synthesis type
<kewell> right
<Audiocourses> and interesting haircuts
<kewell> interesting
<kewell> ?
<Audiocourses> hehe
<kewell> sorry glass houses
<kewell> me i mean
<ben_m> you're not from flock of seagulls are you?
<kewell> please
<ben_m> ;)
<Audiocourses> lol
<kewell> i had hucknalls haircut before he did
<kewell> inst nescafe anyone?
<ben_m> i'm off the coffee today
<iNSTiNCT2765> had my last cup today..gotta go to sleep eventually
<ben_m> chris only drinks his fancy itialian ones - right chris?
<kewell> hi instinct
<ben_m> ;)
<Audiocourses> does fancy = tiny, very strong and sweet? If so yes.
<iNSTiNCT2765> sup seanm
<ben_m> thats exactly it chris!
<kewell> thanks for trying to help me last week
<kewell> Chris sorted it on monday
<iNSTiNCT2765> no probs.. kinda weird though that we were in the same chatroom as everyone else but still not...never happened before
<Audiocourses> Sean was high maintenance for a while there right Sean? ;)
<kewell> naaaaaah
<kewell> thankds chris
<iNSTiNCT2765> im sticking with irc.icq.com as my server from now on
<kewell> me too he said
<ben_m> i use trillian as an interface
<ben_m> pretty good
<Audiocourses> can you log texts in trillion ben?
<kewell> wasn't she in hitchhikers guide?
<ben_m> i believe you can
<ben_m> i've still got most of last weeks text in here too
<ben_m> it keeps all dialogue until you choose to clear it
<ben_m> seanm - i only ever rememver zaphod beeblebrox
<Audiocourses> ah that's handy
<ben_m> pangalactic gargleblaster
<iNSTiNCT2765> hey u guys wanna hear a track im workin on...its a track for an ep i recorded with a friend of mine..i'd love to get some feedback from yall
<kewell> sure
<ben_m> yes instinct!
<Audiocourses> Good idea
<iNSTiNCT2765> ill upload it to my folder right now
<ben_m> cool
<ben_m> what style is it?
<iNSTiNCT2765> hiphop
<ben_m> what did you do on it?
<iNSTiNCT2765> after im done with the ep im sending it to xarc mastering.. i produced,recorded, mixed it and am saying 'twenty four seven, three sixty five' on the chorus
<iNSTiNCT2765> dont mind that this version is loud, i just added a maximizer to it cause i wanted to hear it loud in the car, the final version is not as loud..
<ben_m> is it up yet?
<iNSTiNCT2765> yeah it just finished uploadin
<ben_m> grabbing it now
<ben_m> listening now
<Audiocourses> grabbing now, got it. :)
<ben_m> sounds good
<ben_m> good mix
<ben_m> nice vocal sound
<iNSTiNCT2765> kewl...i ran the vocals through a multiband
<ben_m> are all the vocals in the chorus double tracked?
<Audiocourses> you listening sean?
<kewell> can't access ftp site working on it
<iNSTiNCT2765> yep
<iNSTiNCT2765> i think i layerd 4 of mine and just put a couple real low
<ben_m> are you in norway instinct?
<iNSTiNCT2765> travisty's are doubled..im in denmark
<ben_m> right, is he american?
<iNSTiNCT2765> yeah from florida
<ben_m> right, i thought he had a convincing american accent
<ben_m> :)
<ben_m> how did you do this then, send files back and forth?
<Audiocourses> "instinct provides some discipline for speach" :)
<iNSTiNCT2765> hehe.. we have an interlude where he tries to speak danish, funny stuff...he came down this summer and we recorded 10 tracks and now im sittin here mixin the stuff'
<ben_m> right, sounds good
<ben_m> very commercial sounding in the production
<ben_m> which is a compliment
<iNSTiNCT2765> thanks, appreciate it..
<Audiocourses> You sound like Slim Shady Instinct ;)
<Audiocourses> as in YOUR voice does.
<Audiocourses> I like it
<iNSTiNCT2765> :-0 ... you're not the first to make that comparison.. funny though cause i can't hear it myself
<iNSTiNCT2765> but thanks..cant take that any other way than a compliment
<Audiocourses> The only bit i dont like is the last string hook.
<iNSTiNCT2765> too synthy?
<Audiocourses> kinda
<Audiocourses> i like the syncopated line under it though
<iNSTiNCT2765> i guess they are a bit simplistic but i think it sounds good..
<iNSTiNCT2765> most of the sounds came from my Triton Rack
<Audiocourses> yeah its good production.
<Audiocourses> you like hip hop sean?
<kewell> yes some
<Audiocourses> I quite like the forumla of hip hop.. the safeness of it
<kewell> got it!
<Audiocourses> and as Instinct mentioned the apparent simplicity. (I say apparent as often it's not so simple)
<iNSTiNCT2765> i was only talkin bout the strings ;)
<iNSTiNCT2765> i always but alot of depth in my beats so theres lots to listen to
<Audiocourses> I wasnt, I was tlaking hip hop in general
<Audiocourses> You can search in many many places about how to mix hip hop, and often people mention, keep it simple,...
<Audiocourses> but....
<Audiocourses> I'm not sure what that means ;)
<iNSTiNCT2765> i just cant keep it too simple..gets boring
<ben_m> i actually prefer really simple hip hop
<ben_m> J5, blackalicious, public enemy, nwa, de la soul
<ben_m> but i'm not a massive hip hop fan
<kewell> nice work instinct sounds good
<iNSTiNCT2765> thanks man..
<ben_m> you going to do anything with this - look for a deal/publishing etc?
<iNSTiNCT2765> yeah, i'll bring it to a couple labels and see if they'll distribute..
<kewell> beats are a bit polite for me
<kewell> vocals are cool
<kewell> i like the jean michelle jarre touches
<Audiocourses> yea he did a "tasty job"
<kewell> very
<ben_m> http://www.synchroarts.com/products/vocalign/vocalign-project.asp
<ben_m> ever seen this app instinct?
<Audiocourses> I like some of the multi influenced stuff also, like Asher D... he digs that disco vibe.
<Audiocourses> vocalign is great!
<ben_m> used a lot in hip hop for double tracked parts
<iNSTiNCT2765> nope ben..i usually just move them myself in nuendo with the grid function off
<ben_m> thats how a lot of commercial stuff has an ultra-tight double tracked sound
<iNSTiNCT2765> you tried the melodyne software? that stuff looks amazin
<ben_m> yeah, its good
<ben_m> can do some amazing things with it
<ben_m> not the greatest UI though
<ben_m> and the fact it is standalone (or at least the last verion i used of it was)
<ben_m> but it can completely change a line
<iNSTiNCT2765> i saw a demo video for it and the time stretchin and pitch shifting sounded cool... whats UI?
<ben_m> user interface
<iNSTiNCT2765> ah
<iNSTiNCT2765> i think its a VST aswell
<ben_m> its not really bad UI, just very different to other products on the market
<ben_m> if theres a VST version then I may well look at it again
<ben_m> everythings so integrated now I don't like using standalones
<iNSTiNCT2765> whats better, vst integration or using rewire?
<ben_m> hmmm
<ben_m> hard to compare as they do different things
<ben_m> i prefer VST
<ben_m> BUT....
<ben_m> apps like Reason couldnt run as VST, they need to be standalone and hooked up with rewire
<ben_m> rewire and VST are both great though
<Audiocourses> Next week guys..
<kewell> same time?
<Audiocourses> anyone not ok for saturday?
<ben_m> what time saturday?
<kewell> what time
<iNSTiNCT2765> time?
<Audiocourses> hmm
<iNSTiNCT2765> earlier?
<Audiocourses> lets say GMT 17:00
Session Time: Mon Oct 04 00:00:00 2004
<Audiocourses> which would be 6 in uk
<kewell> ye fine
<Audiocourses> or earlier still?
<iNSTiNCT2765> what time is it GMT right now?
<Audiocourses> i think GMT right now is 22:00
<Audiocourses> BST is 23:00
<Audiocourses> ben?
<ben_m> so 6(uk) saturday
<Audiocourses> is that fine?
<kewell> 6 uk sat fine
<iNSTiNCT2765> yep fine
<ben_m> should be good with me
<Audiocourses> great.
<Audiocourses> sean
<kewell> fine
<Audiocourses> you got a practical this week
<Audiocourses> no quesions
<kewell> just looked looks like fun
<Audiocourses> k
<Audiocourses> inst maybe you too
<Audiocourses> some questions to clear up a bit though.
<iNSTiNCT2765> no ques for me?
<Audiocourses> yes for you yes..
<Audiocourses> and maybe a small practical
<iNSTiNCT2765> oh ok
<iNSTiNCT2765> looking forward to hear ur mix next week sean
<kewell> me too
<kewell> thanks for yours do something with it!
<iNSTiNCT2765> im sure gonna try
<kewell> good luck
<ben_m> do it instinct
<iNSTiNCT2765> thanks
<kewell> gotta go guys been good thanks everyone see you all next sat
<Audiocourses> see ya
<ben_m> have a good week sean
<kewell> thanks
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<Audiocourses> have a good week inst and get those gaps filled...
<iNSTiNCT2765> bye guys...see u next sat.
<iNSTiNCT2765> i will..thanks
<Audiocourses> also that software review ;)
<Audiocourses> see you
<iNSTiNCT2765> im on it
<ben_m> cheers instinct
<iNSTiNCT2765> see y'all
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