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Session Start: Sat Oct 16 17:21:11 2004
Session Ident: #audiocourses
* Now talking in #audiocourses
* Audiocourses changes topic to 'Saturday Night Fever'
* seanm has joined #audiocourses
<seanm> hi
* Audiocourses changes topic to 'They get Them Out For The Boyz In The Band'
<Audiocourses> he hi
<seanm> you ill still?
<Audiocourses> no :)
<Audiocourses> do i look ill?
<seanm> lol
<Audiocourses> :)
<Audiocourses> how's it going?
<seanm> fine cheers
<Audiocourses> good good
<seanm> posted my work up today
<seanm> you ok
<Audiocourses> yeah im good..
<Audiocourses> yeah i just got the notification, i'll have a check in a bit
<seanm> how the weather
<Audiocourses> here it is cloudy today, ski season pulling in.
<seanm> chukin it down here
<Audiocourses> nice..
<seanm> manchester though you know
* Audiocourses ponders on the great british weather
<seanm> from now till feb we'll be staring at the pavement
<Audiocourses> eek
<seanm> any ideas for me to sort me acoustic probs not had time but had a quik look in sos
<Audiocourses> it's almost impossible to say without hearing it
<Audiocourses> though it seems to be reflections are a prob
<seanm> ye was wondering how to analyse it?
<seanm> just mi ears
<Audiocourses> well you can get some FTT software..
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<seanm> hi ben
<Audiocourses> which will plot some pretty graphs for you
<seanm> ye
<Audiocourses> then you can compare the graphs to ones which sound good
<ben_m> hi all
<Audiocourses> hi ben
<seanm> where might i get ftt? software?
<Audiocourses> http://www.fftw.org/
<seanm> thanks
<Audiocourses> ive not tired it though
<Audiocourses> tried it
<Audiocourses> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=fft+software
<seanm> i'll have a look thanks
<Audiocourses> welcome
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<seanm> hi rico
<`Rico> hi guyz
<Audiocourses> hi rico
<ben_m> hi rico
<`Rico> must check my e-mail more often, i was sitting in the other server heh
<Audiocourses> was it lonely?
<`Rico> yes it was very quiet
<Audiocourses> how goes you rico anyway?
<`Rico> i'm fine thanks, weather is absolutely awful though
<`Rico> its been dark all day
<seanm> dark quiet sounds like an isolation tank
<Audiocourses> sean just said something similar
<`Rico> haha
<`Rico> i'm very relieved i've found a centre to take the exams
<`Rico> was getting stressed on tuesday
<seanm> me too
<seanm> how much they chargin rico
<`Rico> £8 an hour
<`Rico> plus £4 per exam
<`Rico> so £28 each exam
<Audiocourses> Thta's not bad at all!
<`Rico> cool
<seanm> yeh salford chargin 50 all in
<`Rico> nice one
<seanm> seemed alright
<seanm> colleges were hopeless abd c&g!
<seanm> and
<`Rico> yup totaly
<`Rico> i phoned about 12 colleges, all said no external candidates
<seanm> yuk
<seanm> they told me they couldn't if they didn't offer the course
<seanm> C&G said the same
<`Rico> yeah i got that from 1 of them
<seanm> anyways done now and leeds won
<`Rico> c&g just couldnt get their head round the fact it was being delivered distance learning
<seanm> bizarre
<`Rico> my team play tomorrow on sky:)
<`Rico> come on the toon
<seanm> play wots that
<Audiocourses> lol
<seanm> leeds just exist
<`Rico> hehe
<seanm> used to play
<seanm> milner bowyer woody (gone) like watching my team
<`Rico> blame the chairman, its the easy option
<seanm> it's all my fault
<`Rico> heh yeah
<ben_m> ridsdale - what a man!
<seanm> barnsley now
<`Rico> or blame yourself then;)
<ben_m> why can't he join chelsea?
<`Rico> lol
<seanm> great idea
<ben_m> ;)
<seanm> your boys pulled it round
<seanm> today ben
<ben_m> great result
<ben_m> well impressed
<seanm> v ggod
<`Rico> i havnt seen the scores, just know man u brum 0-0
<ben_m> liv 4 - fulham 2
<`Rico> nice
<ben_m> was 2-0 fulham at half time i think
<`Rico> wow
<seanm> leeds 1 preston 0
<`Rico> yey
<ben_m> arsenal won <yawn>
<`Rico> well theres a surprise
<ben_m> hopefully man city will spank chelski later on
<`Rico> on now i think
<`Rico> pay per view
<seanm> ye
<ben_m> c'mon you rubbish mancs
<`Rico> lol
<seanm> sorry to say i can't keegan outthinking that psycho mourinho
<ben_m> me niether
<seanm> i think mourinho 's  head is going to explode one day live on Sky
<`Rico> well we can hope
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<ben_m2> sorry disconnected
<seanm> how you finding the course rico?
<seanm> courses
<`Rico> very interesting
<seanm> me too
<`Rico> i'm sitting down to do questions, then suddenly its 2 hours later
<seanm> or days
<`Rico> not a chore at all
<seanm> no
<seanm> wish i had more time
<`Rico> do u work a lot sean
<seanm> how do you mean
<`Rico> just saying u wish u had more time
<`Rico> thought u mite work ridiculous hours or sumthing
<seanm> i see yes full time
<seanm> you?
<`Rico> yeah full time, i'm a civil servant working in finance
<seanm> not for long hey
<`Rico> still havn't done my bit about me on the forum yet
<`Rico> hopefully:)
<seanm> me neither
<seanm> must do it don't know about the photo though
<`Rico> why, what are u hiding ;)
<Audiocourses> lol
<seanm> two heads
<`Rico> aaaah
<`Rico> text will be fine m8
<seanm> shame anxiety etc
<`Rico> hehe
<seanm> you see my post about our own live workshop
<`Rico> i did yeah, could be useful
<seanm> maybe
<seanm> wanna try it
<`Rico> i use mIRC so i could open this channel whilst i'm doing my questions
<seanm> me too
<`Rico> have it running in the background
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<`Rico> might be good to share source websites etc
<seanm> maybe we could divide the topics and share the research?
<seanm> point each other to resources for diff bits?
<`Rico> yeah that could work
<seanm> will you be working on stuff on tuesday night?
<`Rico> i will yeah i usually do a couple of hours each night
<seanm> why not meet here at 8uk on tuesday and take it from there
<`Rico> yeah ok, i'll be on from around 7.30
<seanm> see you then then
<`Rico> nice one
<seanm> chris ben is that ok with you if we share research
<`Rico> better leave myself a note heh
<Audiocourses> fine by me
<seanm> cool
<ben_m2> yeah
<Audiocourses> It's a good idea to get together and chat about it.
<seanm> ye
<Audiocourses> brb
<Audiocourses> back
<Audiocourses> so anyone done any mixing this week?
<seanm> i went back to stuff like that for a couple of hours
<Audiocourses> yeah?
<seanm> looking at where i went wrong
<`Rico> i havn't no
<`Rico> been concentrating on questions
<`Rico> i didnt realise we had a sampling practical till last night:/
<seanm> opened up your ref mix and mine with paz spectrum analyser
<seanm> very revealing
<ben_m2> what did you notice?
<seanm> yours had a pretty even curve across freq range
<seanm> mine a ski slope
<Audiocourses> you've learnt something fundamental there sean.
<seanm> yes i was also being a bit lazy
<seanm> didn't check mi mix on other systems
<Audiocourses> ah...  the sure fire way to a bad mix is laziness ;)
<seanm> or against ref materials
<ben_m2>        tut tut
<`Rico> lol
<seanm> which are all things i know i should do
<seanm> i went and got a brand new heavies track as ref
<seanm> and i'm going to redo the thing
<Audiocourses> I may have to set you some lines after school.
<seanm> lol
<`Rico> hehe
<seanm> it was a good lesson check everything
<seanm> i also noticed i'd bypassed the top end of a parametric compressor i used on the drum mix derrr
<Audiocourses> yeah?
<seanm> yeah but that was a very small pt of the prob
<seanm> i think
<Audiocourses> seems you have learnt some good stuff there..
<seanm> yes
<Audiocourses> It's kinda good you are able to make these mistakes...
<Audiocourses> and then reflect back on them
<seanm> yes
<Audiocourses> so the penny goes "ding"
<Audiocourses> :)
<seanm> DING
* Audiocourses wonders why he uses a silly penny analogy
<Audiocourses> lol
<seanm> it worked
<Audiocourses> and rico.... you dropped any pennies recently?
<`Rico> no i keep good hold on my cash;)
<ben_m2> lol
<seanm> lol
<Audiocourses> lol
<Audiocourses> it's your job it seems
<`Rico> i find myself sitting thinking about the concepts of sythesis and stuff like that at the moment
<`Rico> just pops in there when i'm sitting at my desk
<`Rico> its weird
<`Rico> i'm actually remembering the stuff, instead of it going out the other ear
<ben_m2> good stuff rico
<ben_m2> how did you find the sampling?
<`Rico> which it did when i was training in accountancy, yawn
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<seanm> hi instinct
<iNSTiNCT2> sup peoples..a little late :)
<`Rico> hi instinct
<iNSTiNCT2> hi
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<ben_m> doh-disconnected again
<iNSTiNCT2> so whats up?
<ben_m> hi instinct!
<iNSTiNCT2> hey ben
<Audiocourses> ben is twinned
<`Rico> theres ben and evil ben
<seanm> no only evil ben
<`Rico> hehe
<seanm> sorry ben
<ben_m> grrr
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<ben_m> doh - he's a goner
<ben_m> i put a hex on him
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<`Rico> u must have scared him
* Audiocourses hands ben a magic MIRC stun probe
<seanm> lol
<ben_m> <evil cackle>
<seanm> Is it poss to post up the tasks before monday
<ben_m> what the questions?
<`Rico> your keen
<seanm> ye
<seanm> it's just if we workshop on sats and we've finished our work
<seanm> could be gettin on with it on sun
<seanm> just a thought
<Audiocourses> it's a fair point.. I will try sean..
<Audiocourses> though
<Audiocourses> i was thinking of going back to sunday workshops as of next week
<seanm> arrr
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<seanm> actually next week that suits me
<ben_m> i could put sampling 2 on before monday
<`Rico> usually sunday suits me too
<seanm> if it's okay
<seanm> that be good
<Audiocourses> while we are on this topic
<iNSTiNCT2> sundays good for me too..if its at around the same time as this
<seanm> sundays good for me as well
<Audiocourses> I was going to suggest 8pm sunday uk time next week
<seanm> okay with me
<`Rico> same here
<seanm> swings and roudabouts i suppose
<seanm> workshops on sun tasks on mon
<seanm> fine
<iNSTiNCT2> i cant next week though..but the week after that i guess 8pm uk is fine on sundays
<Audiocourses> ok.. and ben?
<ben_m> next week is fine
<Audiocourses> k.
<Audiocourses> what's new with you instinct?
<ben_m> brb
<iNSTiNCT2> been workin on a beat i've sold to this girl...just gotta arrange it and mix it now
<ben_m> back
<ben_m> sounds like you're doing well
<iNSTiNCT2> doin ok.. how are u guys?
<Audiocourses> not bad here..
<Audiocourses> Guys..
<Audiocourses> how about we have a bit of a quiz..
<seanm> ok
<Audiocourses> wake us all up a bit..
<`Rico> yeah ok
<seanm> can i phone a friend?
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Session Close: Sat Oct 16 19:10:30 2004

Session Start: Sat Oct 16 19:10:40 2004
Session Ident: #audiocourses
* Now talking in #audiocourses
* Topic is 'They get Them Out For The Boyz In The Band'
* Set by Audiocourses on Sat Oct 16 17:45:00
<Audiocourses> hehe
<Audiocourses> back
<Audiocourses> ok
<Audiocourses> so here is a question to discusson
<Audiocourses> ready guys?
<seanm> ready
<`Rico> hope its not politics;)
<Audiocourses> fingers on the buzzers?
<Audiocourses> A producer has asked you to set up a natural echo chamber. What should you do?
<seanm> take a speaker to another room mic it up
<Audiocourses> any more details?
<seanm> choose a space with the characteristics you want feed your signal to the speaker
<`Rico> its hard irregular surfaces is it not
<seanm> place mic(s) in the space
<Audiocourses> irregular reflective yes.
<Audiocourses> ok good what if he said i want this in stereo..?
<seanm> two mics
<`Rico> would have thought the same
<Audiocourses> yup
<Audiocourses> good
<Audiocourses> next
<Audiocourses> A producer wants to use tape delay to produce a Jamaican dub style repeat echo. What should you do?
* `Rico asks jeeves
<ben_m> lol
<seanm> i know what i want don't know how to do it
<Audiocourses> this is a tough old bugga
<`Rico> yer even jeeves don't know
<Audiocourses> what is Jamaican dub style repeat echo?
<seanm> echo which degrades gradually also not bang on the beat
<seanm> each echo more distorted than the the last
<Audiocourses> certainly does degrade (or distort)
<Audiocourses> it's a form of feedback if you like..
<Audiocourses> I'll post the answer in .. then we can "think" on it..ok?
<seanm> ok
<Audiocourses> Take a 3 head tape recorder, feed its input from the mixing console’s aux send, take its output (from the playback head) back to another channel on the console.
<Audiocourses> The two channels should be mixed together at a suitable balance.
<Audiocourses> Part of the echo channel’s sound should be sent back to the recorder though aux send again, so much that the echo level would gradually increase and reach distortion.
<Audiocourses> i hear brains working..
* Audiocourses grabs some patch leads
<ben_m> hehe
* Audiocourses cues mastermind sound effect
<Audiocourses> da da da da....... da da..
<ben_m> hehe
<seanm> not sure about the last bit
<`Rico> i'm trying to get my head around what a jamaican dub echo actually sounds like
<Audiocourses> yeah good idea rico..
<`Rico> the echo increases?
<Audiocourses> in level
<Audiocourses> yeah..
<iNSTiNCT2> cant u post an example?
<Audiocourses> creates a kind of wash.. and starts breaking up.
<Audiocourses> Im not sure i have one, ill find one though and try to do that this week.
<Audiocourses> or..
<Audiocourses> maybe this could be a task..
<seanm> check out the scientist lee scratch perry king tubby
<Audiocourses> i'll include it as a task this week..
<ben_m> you hear this on modern records too - not quite as authentic though
<ben_m> leftfield, groove armada etc
<`Rico> ah yes i think i get it now
<`Rico> 'think' being the key word
<`Rico> would be good to hear some
<Audiocourses> one to ponder on this week...
<Audiocourses> next question.
<Audiocourses> easy this
<Audiocourses> A producer wants to use tape delay to produce a Jamaican dub style repeat echo. What should you do?
<ben_m> lol
<seanm> lol
<Audiocourses> hehe
<`Rico> lol
<Audiocourses> A producer asks you to create tape phasing. Once the system is set up, what do you have to do as the tape is running to create the phasing effect?
<Audiocourses> easy this guys.
<Audiocourses> not complex
<`Rico> do u have to put ur hand on the tap
<`Rico> tape
<Audiocourses> on the real yes
<Audiocourses> which will do what?
<seanm> slow it down
<`Rico> slow the tape down
<Audiocourses> so how will we get the phase thing going on?
<Audiocourses> what is phasing?
<iNSTiNCT2> mix the original with the new one where the hand is on the real
<Audiocourses> there we go
<seanm> so they're out of phase?
<Audiocourses> no
<Audiocourses> well
<ben_m> not completely out of phase
<Audiocourses> you need two lots of the signal..
<Audiocourses> a duplicate
<Audiocourses> one of which goes to the tape
<Audiocourses> when you slow down the tape by touching it...
<`Rico> so u have one running normal then 1 which is slowed down
<Audiocourses> yes rico
<Audiocourses> you could create this at home with your PCs..
<Audiocourses> send a signal out to an old beat up cassette machine
<Audiocourses> feeds it back into a channel..
<Audiocourses> then slow the capstan down a bit..
<Audiocourses> or various other ways..
<Audiocourses> you then get authentic tape phasing
<Audiocourses> or "flanging" as you may here..
<Audiocourses> flanging as the name comes from touching the flange of the real..
<`Rico> aah yes heard that before
<Audiocourses> i have a frind who is nicknamed flange..  her real name is angela..
<Audiocourses> lol
<ben_m> lol
<`Rico> haha
<ben_m> won't ask any more
<seanm> steady on
<Audiocourses> lol
<Audiocourses> yeah sometimes i do call her "flange piece" ..
<Audiocourses> ohh dear..
<ben_m> lol
<iNSTiNCT2> haha
<`Rico> lol
<Audiocourses> she is never quite "in phase"
<ben_m> right...
* Audiocourses looks at ben for some sanity...
<ben_m> ha
<ben_m> !
<seanm> is there a code in these colours?
<ben_m> been reading the da vinci code?
<ben_m> ;)
<Audiocourses> it's the matrix man..
<seanm> lol
<ben_m> want another question?
<seanm> ye
<ben_m> What is the importance of cluster size for PC based recordings?
<seanm> i told you the other week!
<`Rico> the bigger the cluster size the less fragmentation
<ben_m> ok rico
<seanm> clusters smallest allocatable part of drive
<ben_m> so if I was working with small text files rather than audio files then would the same rules apply?
<seanm> not really
<ben_m> why not
<ben_m> ?
<seanm> much smaller files
<seanm> not so critical for streaming
<seanm> not streamed
<ben_m> and what about wastage?
<seanm> less wasted space due to smaller clusters
<ben_m> excellent sean!
<seanm> thank you
<ben_m> ok
<ben_m> another
<ben_m> how could i create a tremolo effect on a traditional analogue synthesiser?
<seanm> mod the vca
<ben_m> with the what?
<seanm> lfo
<ben_m> ok one thing here
<`Rico> witha nother vco
<ben_m> LFO is correct
<ben_m> LFO is really a VCO that operates at very low freqs.
<ben_m> in the exam
<ben_m> your answers need to be precise, concise and use all the correct terminology
<seanm> full word?
<seanm> voltage controlled etc
<ben_m> yes, often they will ask you to expand abbreviations
<seanm> ok
<`Rico> got it
<ben_m> so ensure that, especially in synthesis, you learn all the full words
<seanm> yes
<ben_m> one more for the road?
<ben_m> or you had enough?
<seanm> yes
<`Rico> yup
<seanm> no
<ben_m> Name 2 ways that a sample could be reduced in size to save storage space?
<Audiocourses> lol
<seanm> loop it
<ben_m> ok one
<`Rico> one way would be to loop it
<ben_m> good rico
<`Rico> doh
<seanm> reduce the thingy
<ben_m> ;)
<seanm> frequency
<ben_m> thingy being what?
<`Rico> is that a technical term
<seanm> bandwidth
<ben_m> freq.! yes you could recuce the thingy
<seanm> sorry
<ben_m> what do you mean by bandwidth?
<Audiocourses> hehe
<seanm> 44.1 to 22.05 thing
<ben_m> right, that is the sampling rate/freq
<ben_m> right so we can
<seanm> d i really mean sampling frequency
<ben_m> 1) loop the sample if there is a sufficient sustain in the instrument
<ben_m> i.e. a piano could be looped but a snare couldn't
<ben_m> 2) reduce the sample rate
<ben_m> also, very closely related to sample rate is...
<ben_m> anyone?
<seanm> size
<`Rico> stereo to mono
<ben_m> b.. .....
<ben_m> stereo to mono - yes that is another way rico - very good
<ben_m> bi. .e...
<ben_m> bi. .ep..
<`Rico> bit depth
<`Rico> ?
<ben_m> thats it rico
<ben_m> 24,16,12,8
<`Rico> its easier when u get clues;)
<ben_m> obviously with soft samplers this is less of a problem
<ben_m> due to the massive storage potential
<seanm> ben is this also called bit word length?
<ben_m> sean -yes
<Audiocourses> ok guys..
<ben_m> but not often in audio terms
<ben_m> oops
<Audiocourses> some good stuff there, all seems to be going along well..
<Audiocourses> I'm happy so far..
<Audiocourses> I'll chekc the new posts tomorrow and try to get new stuff up as soon as I can..
<`Rico> :)
<seanm> thanks
<seanm> 8 uk sunday then
<Audiocourses> right now I have to phone Trinity and get back in the matrix..
<Audiocourses> so see you all later.
<`Rico> watch out for them agents
<`Rico> cya
<ben_m> i'm off too huys
<ben_m> see you all next sunday
<seanm> see you next week see you tues rico
<`Rico> cya guyz, yeah cya tuesday sean
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