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Session Start: Sun Oct 24 20:32:41 2004
Session Ident: #audiocourses
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<seanm> howdi
<Audiocourses> hi there
<Audiocourses> how are you?
<seanm> good thanks you?
<Audiocourses> not too bad.. bit of a sore foot..nothing so bad.
<seanm> rugby ?
<Audiocourses> yup
<seanm> but did u win
<Audiocourses> yes we gave them a right run around
<Audiocourses> 45 - 0
<seanm> !!!!
<Audiocourses> yeah was a trouncing really.
<seanm> you play for expats or something
<Audiocourses> no..
<Audiocourses> i play for an Italian team
<Audiocourses> and help coach
<seanm> i know they play in italy
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<seanm> hi ben
<ben_m> hi sean
<ben_m> hi chris
<Audiocourses> yo ben
<Audiocourses> good fun, but it hurts sometimes
<Audiocourses> hehe
<ben_m> think i missed something here?
<ben_m> ;)
<seanm> rugby
<ben_m> ahhh......right.........
<ben_m> of course
<Audiocourses> i was just avin a moan
<Audiocourses> feeling sorry for myself
<ben_m> sports injuries
<Audiocourses> small fracture in a tiny foot bone
<Audiocourses> nothing too bad
<ben_m> metatarsal?
<seanm> metatarsel ?
<Audiocourses> around there somewhere
<seanm> lol
<ben_m> haha
<ben_m> note the regional spelling differences there
<seanm> very fashionable injury chris
<Audiocourses> how do you mean?
<Audiocourses> you got one also?
<ben_m> all the rage
<seanm> beckham
<seanm> rooney
<Audiocourses> who is he?
<ben_m> danny murphy
<seanm> sme spaniard
<Audiocourses> bloodt foreigners
<Audiocourses> how the uk climate?
<ben_m> damp
<ben_m> windy
<Audiocourses> (he says knowingly)
<ben_m> bloody horrible
<seanm> same old same old
<Audiocourses> lol
<seanm> was sunny and warm for a few hours today
<ben_m> better weather in the book of revelations
<Audiocourses> i managed to top up my facila tan while playing today..
<Audiocourses> facial
<seanm> alright alright
* Audiocourses groans as he shifts his fashion injury.
* Audiocourses changes topic to 'Fashion and Music'
-> [ben_m] PING
-> [seanm] PING
<Audiocourses> sean
<seanm> yes
<Audiocourses> how was this week?
<seanm> good
<Audiocourses> I see you managed the questons
<seanm> just posted up the sfx thing
<seanm> and the questions
<Audiocourses> i have not checked in detaisl yet, but will do..
<ben_m> good answers for sampling from my preliminary look sean
<seanm> thanks
<seanm> got a bit confused though
<ben_m> whys that?
<seanm> tracking
<ben_m> ah right
<ben_m> tracking in this sense is changing the pitch up and down the keyboard
<seanm> yes
<seanm> just a derth of info i could find
<seanm> or not
<seanm> seen my answer to tracking
<ben_m> checking now
<ben_m> looks fine
<seanm> just the midi guit angle
<ben_m> main point of tracking question is to ensure that you can differentiate (as you can)
<ben_m> between 'pitched' instruments
<seanm> seemed to be slightly diff
<ben_m> and 'non - pitched' instruments
<seanm> ahh
<ben_m> oh the MIDI tracking?
<seanm> ye
<ben_m> tracking with MIDI pickups is
<seanm> diff
<ben_m> the time and acuracy of the MIDI note from the audio information
<seanm> ye
<ben_m> if you were playing guitar and the wrong notes were coming out or really out of time the tracking would be poor
<seanm> or the respons to bending notes/
<seanm> ?
<ben_m> exactly
<seanm> confused myself
<ben_m> basically the difference between the original note(s) and the MIDI
<seanm> midi pick up and midi keyboard
<ben_m> in terms of accuracy that is
<seanm> ye
<seanm> i think i got it now
<seanm> thanks ben
<ben_m> brb
<ben_m> back
<Audiocourses> so i think ill grab your sound effects story sean..
<Audiocourses> shall we listen to it?
<seanm> ok
<seanm> ye
<Audiocourses> the rar file, right?
<seanm> ye
<seanm> sfx holiday story
<ben_m> grabbing it now
<Audiocourses> ok loaded in my editor now
<Audiocourses> pressing play.
<Audiocourses> hehe
<seanm> sorry
<Audiocourses> what for?
<seanm> content
<Audiocourses> good quality samples
<seanm> yes
<ben_m> yes, nice stereo on the splash and the fizz
<seanm> got lots
<seanm> made those two with bus partner
<Audiocourses> i'm trying to figure out the story, is it a holiday?
<seanm> yes
<Audiocourses> well done then, it worked!
<seanm> bad one
<seanm> holiday i mean
<Audiocourses> a bad holiday? pissing down when ya arrived?
<seanm> no
<seanm> rains when back
<Audiocourses> ahh#
<Audiocourses> pressing play again
<Audiocourses> You got a foxy car..
<seanm> lol
<ben_m> damn mosquitos
<seanm> didn't make that one
<seanm> haha
<Audiocourses> man from atlantis
<seanm> lol
<seanm> likje it had to use it
<Audiocourses> was she good?
<seanm> no she left when i threw up
<Audiocourses> lol
<Audiocourses> hehe better on the second run
<seanm> wasn't so convinced by story but
<Audiocourses> you did well sean
<seanm> concentrated on mix etc
<ben_m> yes, nice one!
<seanm> thanks
<Audiocourses> broadcastable!
<seanm> bloody hell!
<seanm> monitoring probs not such an issue
<seanm> because of audio quality
<Audiocourses> run us through it, as you had samples already i take it you didnt EQ so much?
<seanm> yes
<seanm> none
<Audiocourses> that's why it sounds pretty...
<seanm> only edited mixed
<seanm> and put it thru waves L2
<Audiocourses> and what did waves L2 do for you?
<seanm> made it loud
<Audiocourses> ish
<seanm> yeah i left bit of h'room in there
<Audiocourses> I think you did well...
<Audiocourses> you could have over cooked it easily..
<seanm> thanks
<seanm> i was trying to learn from my earlier experience
<Audiocourses> those waves buggers can intrude if not careful..
<Audiocourses> and what did you learn?
<seanm> I tried to think harder about gain structure
<seanm> I think it assisted in screwing up stuff like that amongst other things
<Audiocourses> you think?
<seanm> ye
<Audiocourses> the only bits i do not like are the bits of silence..
<seanm> made me realise how imp it is
<seanm> wasn't totally sure sometimes it felt better to leave a bit
<seanm> transition between scenes
<Audiocourses> that's fair enough
<seanm> sounded less choppy
<Audiocourses> i hear ya
<Audiocourses> i think sean deserves a pat on the back this week ben.
<ben_m> <pats sean on back>
<seanm> arr shucks
<seanm> thanks
* Audiocourses gives sean a pat, good man, good man...
<seanm> thank you
<Audiocourses> It's a fairly tricky thing to do, huh?
<seanm> it's all in the feedback
<seanm> sorry what is
<seanm> the sfx
<seanm> thingy
<Audiocourses> sound effects story, or was it easy?
<seanm> wasn't easy
<seanm> I decided to look at the sfx i had and build a story round those
<Audiocourses> right
<seanm> just worked it until i thought it was working
<seanm> but i did have advantage of having some decent sfx already
<Audiocourses> does help for sure, your assetts box.
<seanm> ye
<Audiocourses> you can expand the idea of an assetts box to include MIDI maps..
<seanm> go ed
<Audiocourses> MIDI parts..
<seanm> yes
<seanm> pre
<Audiocourses> like if you knew a really good funk keyboard player
<Audiocourses> get em in and record a ton of MIDI parts...
<seanm> yes
<Audiocourses> stick em in your box..
<seanm> thought about that
<seanm> having philosophical probs with samples and pre-written parts at moment though
<Audiocourses> it will pass
<Audiocourses> lol
<seanm> lol
<ben_m> it happens to us all
<seanm> ye
<seanm> i tend to make very sweeping statements to myself
<Audiocourses> you do?
<seanm> yes
<seanm> all samples are dead
<seanm> dead sounds
<Audiocourses> not mine ya bugger!
<seanm> lol
<ben_m> thing is
<ben_m> where do you draw the line
<ben_m> ?
<seanm> good point
<ben_m> if you have a very good bass drum sample that you use to replace a naff one in a recording
<ben_m> like with the midi triggering method
<ben_m> is that a dead sound?
<seanm> fixes
<seanm> maybe
<ben_m> philosophically...
<ben_m> once a sound is committed to a medium it is a sample
<ben_m> if you record a guitar track for a song
<ben_m> then decide not to use it
<seanm> exactly
<ben_m> but at a later date use it in another track
<ben_m> what then?
<seanm> cheating
<seanm> hehe
<ben_m> :)
<ben_m> most peoples problems with sampling is from the point of view that it is other peoples worj
<seanm> no you're right do it all the bloody time
<ben_m> work
<seanm> don't mind that so much
<ben_m> so is your problem the 'cheating' method?
<seanm> similar to getting in a session player
<seanm> not sure i think i'm really talking about inspiration
<seanm> using a drum loop for e.g.
<seanm> as starting point for an idea
<ben_m> if that drum loop helps you with an idea you'd have never had....
<seanm> ye
<ben_m> then hurrah for the drum loop!
<seanm> lol
<ben_m> i think you can either be a purist
<ben_m> in which case recor everything with binaural mics and in one take
<ben_m> or otherwise you should and can use everything available to you to push yourself
<seanm> yes
<ben_m> i don't think there is room for middle ground here
<ben_m> (one of my sweeping statements! lol)
<seanm> i know it's a big thing
<ben_m> ultimately it's what you feel comfortable with
<seanm> once you get too philosophical about it
<ben_m> are you a musician sean?
<seanm> i think i'm just trying to push myself toward a fresh approach
<seanm> yes
<seanm> very bad guitarist
<ben_m> i think that your view is very common from musicians (esp guitarists!)
<ben_m> myself and chris are both guitar players
<seanm> virtual guit holds no fears
<ben_m> and i'm sure at some point both of us may have asked similiar questions
<seanm> yes as i say its one of those periodic adjustments
<ben_m> indeed
<seanm> a re-think
<seanm> freshen things up
<ben_m> often a sample can kickstart an idea
<ben_m> and at a later date the sample can be removed and you till have a great track
<seanm> pick up my guitar for a while and stop looking at a computer screen maybe
<Audiocourses> I'm going to set a practical this week..
<Audiocourses> in an attempt to convert you.
<seanm> yes
<Audiocourses> I was going to set it last week, but felt you had enough on..
<Audiocourses> This week it will fit well..
<Audiocourses> the practical will be to use some software (free) to replace some drum sounds..
<seanm> ye
<Audiocourses> In Stuff Like That..
<seanm> good
<seanm> still working on that
<Audiocourses> well,
<Audiocourses> have you tried anythng such as this previously?
<seanm> not exactly
<seanm> no not with real drums
<seanm> never mixed real drums
<seanm> till stuff like that
<Audiocourses> Do you remember that exmaple i gave you of Stuff Like That?
<seanm> yes
<Audiocourses> to explain e.q. curves
<seanm> got it
<Audiocourses> that has drum replacment..
<seanm> right
<Audiocourses> all is not what it seems my dear watson
<seanm> was too gutted to notice
* Audiocourses hopes they get the sherlock gag..
<Audiocourses> were you?
<seanm> yes
<Audiocourses> gutted about what?
<seanm> busy looking at the curve
<Audiocourses> right..
<Audiocourses> well..
<seanm> gutted at making a balls of it
<Audiocourses> hehe don't punish yourself..
<seanm> i should and do know better
<Audiocourses> all part of the learning curve
<seanm> need to i deserve it
<Audiocourses> anyhow..
<Audiocourses> there are a few ways of replacing drums...
<seanm> yes
<Audiocourses> generally all knows as drum triggers really..
<Audiocourses> known
<Audiocourses> so you use the original audio waveform to trigger a replacement sound.
<Audiocourses> often the original is converted into MIDI data..
<Audiocourses> then you can make it play anything..
<Audiocourses> ya with me?
<seanm> yes
<Audiocourses> it's that simple really..
<seanm> don't know how to though
<Audiocourses> the rest is tweaking the particular software
<seanm> not working in bars and beats at moment with it
<Audiocourses> does that make a difference?
<seanm> only to my limited understanding
<Audiocourses> I didn't work in bars and beats either..
<seanm> shall i figure it out for myself?
<Audiocourses> i stuck a plugin on the snare drum channel.. that triggered another snare sound.
<seanm> as an exercise
<seanm> a gate?
<Audiocourses> The bit of kit i suggest you try is KT Drum Trigger (ben has some other ones too)
<Audiocourses> there is an article on the site about it..
<Audiocourses> hang on
<Audiocourses> http://www.audiocourses.com/article339.html
<seanm> just found it
<Audiocourses> don't worry to much for now I'll post up all the info you'll need to start.
<seanm> ok
<seanm> is it poss with a gate?
<Audiocourses> This was I like as it makes you "think" about the MIDI data.
<seanm> seem to remember something about it many years ago
<Audiocourses> you can do things with gates..
<Audiocourses> this practical uses no gates though
<seanm> ok
<Audiocourses> this is to see if you can achieve something your prefer using "samples"
<Audiocourses> much the same as starting your sfx with good effects.
<seanm> yes
<Audiocourses> it's more than common now....
<Audiocourses> as a technique
<seanm> yes
<Audiocourses> I know bass players who have had one note recorded, and then sent home with "thanks mate"
<Audiocourses> "we'll take it from here"
<Audiocourses> lol
<seanm> lol
<seanm> poor souls
<Audiocourses> lol
<Audiocourses> easy money
<seanm> better you get the full 3 hours though
<seanm> and argue about credits and points
<Audiocourses> it's good fun anyway this practical..
<seanm> sounds good more experiences
<Audiocourses> and becuase you'll have MIDI data triggering the new sounds, you'll be able to push or pull the individual drum hits..
<seanm> yes
<Audiocourses> groove up the drummer a bit ;)
<seanm> you playin on it
<Audiocourses> no comment
<seanm> singing?
* Audiocourses gets a beer
<seanm> aaahhhhhh
<Audiocourses> ahh .. ..
<Audiocourses> Ben.. you want to explain some more replacement techniques?
<ben_m> sure
<Audiocourses> cool
<ben_m> firstly, to build on what chris mentioned about MIDI replacement
<ben_m> there are other implications with this MIDI triggering method
<ben_m> for instance
<ben_m> you could put a couple of mics over a few saucepans
<ben_m> play the saucepans with wooden spoons
<ben_m> record this in
<ben_m> and replace each sample with a 'real' drum
<ben_m> you can put a mic over your knee and hammer out a rhythm on your knee and again turn it into a drum loop
<ben_m> any sound source can be turned into any other form
<ben_m> you likely to try that?
<ben_m> ;)
<seanm> how do you convert it to midi data
<ben_m> right..
<ben_m> you would use the relevant plug-in
<ben_m> and set a threshold level
<ben_m> this threshold level determines when a MIDI note is created
<seanm> as in gate threshold
<ben_m> exactly sean
<ben_m> below the threshold no MIDI data is created
<ben_m> above and you get a MIDI note
<seanm> so its only poss with conversion software
<ben_m> no, you could do it by hand
<seanm> go on
<seanm> please
<ben_m> well this would be very time consuming!
<ben_m> literally lining up audio events with MIDI events by eye and ear
<ben_m> however!
<ben_m> there are some halfway houses
<ben_m> for instance using ReCycle
<ben_m> creating a MIDI groove map in ReCycle
<seanm> of course
<ben_m> and then using this MIDI track to trigger samples
<seanm> doh!
<ben_m> that aren't the original samples
<ben_m> this is a sightly obtuse way of doing it
<ben_m> also
<ben_m> some sequencers allow audio to midi conversion
<ben_m> i think logic and pro tools are the 2
<seanm> oh not nuendo then
<ben_m> not to my knowledge
<ben_m> cubase 3, and consequently the impending nuendo 3 may have this
<ben_m> but i'm guessing here
<ben_m> alternatively
<seanm> is that simply export as midi
<ben_m> logic has a built in function very similiar to the plugin chris uses
<ben_m> use it as a plugin iirc
<seanm> whats that
<ben_m> what? chris plugin?
<seanm> iirc?
<ben_m> oh
<ben_m> if i recall correctly
<ben_m> i'm a lazy typer
<ben_m> you can cut out the middleman on the otherhand
<ben_m> and use a direct audio replacement utility such as drumagog
<ben_m> which bypasses the MIDI element
<ben_m> downside is you can't change the groove
<seanm> how it work?
<ben_m> plus is much more advanced config for certain applications
<ben_m> very similiar
<ben_m> set a threshold
<ben_m> load in a sample(s)
<ben_m> when threshold is exceeded the preloaded sample is played
<ben_m> http://www.drumagog.com/
<seanm> thanks
<ben_m> drums dont have to be replaced
<ben_m> either
<ben_m> other effects such as doubling up bass drum with, for instance, sinewave can be acheived
<ben_m> common in some forms of dance music
<seanm> sounds interesting
<seanm> my sample cd's are starting to look intersting again
<ben_m> often you will hear downtuned 808 kicks or toms mixed with other kick drum sound
<ben_m> the sinewave example can be done with gate with sidechain input
<seanm> is it kinda working as a send fx
<ben_m> you'd feed a constant sine tone to gate
<ben_m> have a duplicated kick drum signal sent to sidechain input on gate
<ben_m> set threshold accordingly
<ben_m> everytime kick drums is struck gate opens and a sinewave 'appears'!
<seanm> cool
<ben_m> instant early chemical brothers
<ben_m> ;)
<seanm> side chaining in nuendo seems a bit of a prob
<seanm> a major oversight
<ben_m> yes, sidechaining is down to the plugin
<ben_m> i think TC native offer sidechaining in their plugins
<seanm> yes
<seanm> it has a side chainer plug in
<ben_m> pro tools bundled plugs also offer it
<seanm> they would
<ben_m> ;)
<seanm> does the tc powercore stuff
<Audiocourses> finally the plugin worlds gets the side chains :)
<seanm> couldn't believe it when i looked
<ben_m> to be honest i don't know - i get to use a powercore at somewhere i edit audio so i could find out
<seanm> had to ask me resident expert
<seanm> who was also gobsmacked
<seanm> supposed to getting the powercore thing soon
<ben_m> yes these dsp cards are pretty good
<seanm> i believe so
<seanm> think they have the oxford eq's
<seanm> which again i'm told are the dogs
<ben_m> i do think that soon however cpu speeds will be such that dsps won't be needed
<ben_m> yes, the oxford plugs are meant to be awesome
<seanm> this tjhe 64 bit thing
<ben_m> well, not just the 64 bit thing
<ben_m> but yes to an extent
<ben_m> also the next generation of 64 bit cpus will introduce dual core cpus
<ben_m> both intel and amd will do this next year i believe
<ben_m> plugins can't get much more hungry - can they!?!?!
<ben_m> ;0
<seanm> no
<ben_m> at the moment convolution reverbs are the hungriest i've seen
<ben_m> sound absolutely amazing though
<seanm> they do seem to get better over time though
<seanm> havn't seen those convolution verbs
<ben_m> i think they will signal the end of the hardware reverb units
<ben_m> at least the vast majority of them
<seanm> really
<ben_m> yes they are amazing
<seanm> i'll check them out
<ben_m> very expensive to buy
<Audiocourses> http://www.knufinke.de/sir/index_en.html
<ben_m> also check this site;
<ben_m> http://www.xs4all.nl/~fokkie/IR.htm
<seanm> thanks
<ben_m> i downloaded a few of this guys impulses
<ben_m> his merc van was one
<ben_m> and used them...
<Audiocourses> http://www.noisevault.com/
<seanm> lol
<ben_m> absolutely gobsmacked
<Audiocourses> http://www.echochamber.ch/
<ben_m> it REALLY did sound like being inside a van
<ben_m> no lame emulation with reverb etc
<ben_m> just pure mercedes tone!
<Audiocourses> lol
<ben_m> also
<ben_m> as you can see from the site
<ben_m> convolution can be used to alter tone in other ways
<ben_m> you can 'steal' the sonic fingerprint of other reverb units
<ben_m> AND
<ben_m> high-end mic preamps and console channels
<ben_m> opens up a lot of possibilities
<seanm> interesting
<Audiocourses> you wanna check out that first link also..
<seanm> will do
<Audiocourses> very good FREE kit.
<seanm> i'm there!
<ben_m> haven't tried that one!
<ben_m> looks interesting
<Audiocourses> you'll like it
<ben_m> i got to use this puppy
<ben_m> http://www.waves.com/default.asp?url=content.asp?id=655
<ben_m> cpu hungry mind
<Audiocourses> is it?.. crunch crunch
<Audiocourses> costly thing too
<ben_m> could only run one instance of the merc van
<ben_m> :(
<Audiocourses> man!
<ben_m> mind you , a nice 64 bit cpu on a 64 bit os could improve matters :)
<Audiocourses> in the pipeline?
<ben_m> well
<ben_m> the 64 bit cpus are already there courtesy of AMD
<ben_m> but...
<ben_m> in typical shady pc fashion
<ben_m> when intel decided to postpone the release of their 64 bit cpus
<ben_m> microsoft amazingly put back the date of the release of windows 64
<ben_m> coincedence?
<ben_m> most people involved in the pc 'channel'insinuate that there maybe some kind of mutual agreement between ms and intel
<ben_m> this is infuriating
<ben_m> as ms already have pretty developed windows 64 software
<ben_m> available as a beta
<ben_m> which people have running with amd 64s quite wel
<ben_m> and
<ben_m> cubase sx 3 supports 64 bit processing
<ben_m> so everything is in place
<ben_m> apart from an intel 64 bit chip
<ben_m> !
<Audiocourses> darn fish n chips!
<ben_m> rant over
<seanm> where is everyone tonight
<seanm> chatted with rico on tuesday exchanged some resources
<Audiocourses> i had a message from Rico1210
<Audiocourses> he got the times wrong
<seanm> ahh
<Audiocourses> aik is back with us but she couldnt make it..
<seanm> i'll send him an email see if he wants to chat on tues
<Audiocourses> good one sean
<seanm> saw aik's post
<seanm> i'll invite her too
<seanm> don't envy her the catching up though
<Audiocourses> while you are at it... ben pointed out on that on the sos forums there is a thread, if you fancy some audiocourses PR sean.
<seanm> go on
<Audiocourses> http://www.soundonsound.com/forum/showflat.php?session=dd1daa0fff0d9d72d6b49b4dc1c2b100&Cat=&Number=37686&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=1#37686
<seanm> no sure i follow
<seanm> not
<Audiocourses> if you fancy singing our praises :))
<Audiocourses> plug over
<seanm> okay
<Audiocourses> :)
<seanm> wots it wurf
<Audiocourses> lol
<Audiocourses> I'll slip the examiner a fiver
<seanm> i can see the post
<seanm> yeh i'll reply no prob
<Audiocourses> all helps
<seanm> as long as you promise more help on mirc use
<seanm> for virgins
<seanm> hehe
<Audiocourses> hehe
<Audiocourses> hopefully we may use an in-house chat client soon.
<Audiocourses> pros and cons though
<seanm> ohh
<seanm> he said sheepishly
<Audiocourses> hehe
<Audiocourses> Same time next week?
<seanm> fine for me
<seanm> thanks for the private tutorial fellas enjoyed it
<ben_m> no worries
<Audiocourses> so plans for the week?
<seanm> do my work go to work sleep
<seanm> goin to see leeds next week against wigan should be a real hoot
<Audiocourses> rugby league?
<seanm> i wish
<Audiocourses> me 2
<Audiocourses> ;)
<seanm> used to watch hunslet
<seanm> heard of them
<Audiocourses> nope
<ben_m> i just got sky sports so i'm housebound at the moment
<seanm> gone noe old rl team
<Audiocourses> oh ben... lol
<seanm> don't do it man
<seanm> live f'ball 7 nights a week
<ben_m> liverpool on 11 times between now and jan
<ben_m> bliss
<seanm> ruin yer life
<ben_m> saw them dominate charlton yesterday
<seanm> good result yesterday
<ben_m> saw utd beat aresenal today
<seanm> like the way they play
<ben_m> pool against millwall tuesday
<seanm> i saw smithy
<ben_m> benitez is getting us on track
<seanm> millwall yuk
<ben_m> yeah smith was bought on for his fighting qualities i'd say
<seanm> sure is is kewell out of favour
<ben_m> yes, new den is a bad place to go
<ben_m> full of thugs lol
<Audiocourses> what is it with football fans and the concept of "us" ?
<Audiocourses> lol
<seanm> its a tribal thing
<seanm> see you next week
<ben_m> cheers sean
<Audiocourses> see ya sean
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