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Session Start: Sun Nov 14 19:45:35 2004
Session Ident: #audiocourses
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<iNSTiNCT2> hey
<iNSTiNCT2> what up chris, how u doin?
<Audiocourses> hey hiya
<iNSTiNCT2> mock exams already eh..damn, its gone really fast
<Audiocourses> yes it has dude..
<Audiocourses> amazingly fast I know
<iNSTiNCT2> haha am i early? what time is the workshop today?
<Audiocourses> in one hour from now
<iNSTiNCT2> oh haha, damn...thought it was now and i was plannin on stayin for one hour cause i have to go pick up my mom at the airport in an hour...so i guess i'll come next week. I posted the questions for the week.
<Audiocourses> Yes I noticed them..  looking good too..
<Audiocourses> You have done well so far..
<Audiocourses> You can pick up your mock exam tomorrow...
<Audiocourses> mst of the questions you wil have seen and done already..
<Audiocourses> But as usual, please do set yourself up in exam conditions for this..
<Audiocourses> To test your mind
<iNSTiNCT2> thanks chris..its weird being in a class of one....ok, the mock exams gonna be up in the forum or on the ftp? yeah i'll try to create the best test setting..i'll do it in the vocal booth if i have to :)
<Audiocourses> I understand the class of one, it's unfortunate as there were to be morem but they pulled out last minute..
<Audiocourses> But you have done so well..
<Audiocourses> And I'm sure that certificate will be arriving!
<iNSTiNCT2> yeah i guess i had to try extra hard when i had no one to compare notes with but i think i've done well too... ok im off, i'll see u next week..9pm our time?
<Audiocourses> yes will be 9pm for us next week..
<Audiocourses> have a good week dude
<iNSTiNCT2> thanks, u too..peace
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<dseanm> helooo
<ben_m> hi
<Audiocourses> hi
<dseanm> you both well
<Audiocourses> Yeah pretty good ta sean
<ben_m> brb
<Audiocourses> how about you?
<dseanm> fine thanks
<Audiocourses> What's new?
<dseanm> just finishing bens questions on the dreaded MSC
<dseanm> then want to do revision plan
<Audiocourses> Sounds good
<dseanm> just not thought much about it yet
<dseanm> want to try and org topics into sensible chunks
<Audiocourses> You haven't had to yet,...
<Audiocourses> Yes that's a good idea..
<dseanm> kind of but it's all a bit of blur at the moment
<dseanm> got everything in folders week by week and that
<dseanm> but in my head it's all abit mixed up
<dseanm> need to revisist it all pull all related topics together
<Audiocourses> Yes I imagine, the weeks are intence, but now you will it started to slot into place..
<dseanm> kind of
<Audiocourses> There are no more questions or topics...
<dseanm> not worried about it just wanna organise myself
<dseanm> great news
<Audiocourses> That sounds wise
<dseanm> any tips?
<Audiocourses> Well yes...
<Audiocourses> Firstly we should talk about the mock exam..
<dseanm> ok
<dseanm> thats this week
<Audiocourses> There are obviously to be two mock exams.
<dseanm> isn't it
<Audiocourses> Yes, this week...
<dseanm> do we do it one online
<Audiocourses> We set them immediately because we wan't you to be experiencing a little pressure.
<Audiocourses> Rather than setting them after reading weeks..
<dseanm> sounds reasonable
<Audiocourses> Plus we want you to have more reflection time after the mocks, in order to gather your thoughts before the real exmas..
<Audiocourses> So you have a feeling of preparation.
<dseanm> makes sense
<dseanm> d'wanna wait till the others are here
<Audiocourses> Rico can't make it, as something came up..
<dseanm> oh
<Audiocourses> Instinct was here an hour ago..
<Audiocourses> Not sure about the others..
<dseanm> another private tutorial then poss
<dseanm> didn't meet with aik this week she was working on the night me and rico chatted
<Audiocourses> oh ok.. was it a good chat?
<dseanm> yes just a quick one on tues and thurs
<Audiocourses> I guess it all helps ?
<dseanm> we exchanged some links ans slagged you of
<dseanm> :)
<ben_m> back
<Audiocourses> I see
<dseanm> only kidding
<dseanm> no it helps
* Audiocourses raises his eyebrows ever so slightly
<dseanm> we don't really chat about the questions in detail cos time is limited
<dseanm> so we agree to swap links and info
<Audiocourses> The questions are more about guides i feel, though of course they becomes very important in the exams.
<dseanm> had a quick chat about ref books
<dseanm> yes i know what you mean
<dseanm> i liked your comment about concepts not software
<Audiocourses> Did you?
<dseanm> yes
<dseanm> hit home
<Audiocourses> Ah that's great to hear..
<dseanm> this business about being guides
<dseanm> is where i want revision to come in
<Audiocourses> How do you mean?
<dseanm> cos lots of the time the answers kind of skirt over the topic
<dseanm> and i know theres more
<dseanm> and i need to know it
<Audiocourses> Yes your learning style is one of an instrinsic need.
<Audiocourses> You learn for personal goals I feel, a desire to know the material and make it mean something for you.
<dseanm> some times i just dive in to where the answer is and skirt over the wider topic
<dseanm> absolutely
<dseanm> i know so little about so much
<Audiocourses> hehe we all learn for different reasons..
<dseanm> but i'm getting what i wanted from the course
<Audiocourses> which can makes exams pose problems..
<Audiocourses> ahh well that's the main objective then.
<Audiocourses> Good
<dseanm> yes but we talked about that and i'm sure i understand you
<dseanm> about the exams i mean
<Audiocourses> Yes, if you are person who wishes to drawn their own meaning and make the mateiral their own, and have personal relevance.  exams are tough..
<Audiocourses> hehe
<dseanm> its the only way to get it into my brain
<Audiocourses> If you are a person who wishes to learn for extrinsic goals, often exams work well for them..
<Audiocourses> I think you need to be cautious in that you give the eximiners what they want..
<Audiocourses> not necessarily what you'd like to put,,,
<dseanm> no i do agree
<Audiocourses> ;)
<dseanm> thats why i need a revision plan to stop me going too far
<dseanm> as you said i can look into more detail later and i intend to
<Audiocourses> Yes I think that's a good way for you to approach the exams sean
<dseanm> i agree
<Audiocourses> So you get the exams nailed, plus can continue after them..
<dseanm> just got to be careful about it i think
<Audiocourses> Ben has some great techniques on exams, maybe you could discuss this ben? Regarding how to approach the sentance etc.. ?
<ben_m> yes
<ben_m> do you want to cover this now?
<ben_m> or wait for others?
<Audiocourses> Good idea..
<dseanm> up to you i can wait a bit in case any come
<Audiocourses> let's wait 10 mins shall we...
<dseanm> ok
<Audiocourses> how was the football?
<ben_m> good for l'pool
<dseanm> we lost to ipswich
<ben_m> oooh
<dseanm> kewell made two goals
<dseanm> didn't he
<ben_m> kewell won't be wearing red next season though
<ben_m> i can guarantee that
<dseanm> its a shame
<ben_m> such a talented player
<dseanm> you just havn't senn the real one
<dseanm> i blame houlier
<ben_m> possibly
<dseanm> didn't know how to play him
<ben_m> but kewell seems very injuryprone at moment]
<dseanm> yes
<ben_m> needs a month off
<ben_m> from internationals too
<dseanm> maybe he's better as a big fish in alittle pond
<dseanm> he was weird for us
<dseanm> but scored a lot of crucial goals
<ben_m> all your ex players are dodgy in my opinion
<ben_m> good for you
<ben_m> but iffy for others
<dseanm> fans always frustrated with him tho
<ben_m> bowyer for instance
<dseanm> ohh
<ben_m> one of the best players in europe whilst with you
<ben_m> and now...
<dseanm> very good in parts today i thought
<ben_m> substituted for dyer earlier
<dseanm> i thought he surging was good
<ben_m> souness should bring out some good form
<ben_m> BUT
<ben_m> you had a really mercurial team for a while
<ben_m> maybe it was o'leary?
<dseanm> brilliant until they started buying buying buying
<dseanm> we got to semi of champs league before ridsdale went mad
<ben_m> indeed
<ben_m> you were a great team
<dseanm> o'leary i think is proving himself now at villa
<ben_m> i thinkhe is a great manager
<dseanm> i can't blame him for us
<ben_m> not at all
<ben_m> buck stops somewhere else
<dseanm> just wish they'd begged him to come back before he went to villa
<dseanm> just a dream tho
<dseanm> you lot lookin good tho
<ben_m> yeah
<ben_m> benitez is class
<dseanm> sad about emelyn
<ben_m> yeah, crazy horse was a beaut
<dseanm> i'd forgotten how good and important he was
<ben_m> i think we'll sell gerrard next summer
<ben_m> lots of £s from Real
<dseanm> really
<dseanm> madness surely
<ben_m> well kind of
<ben_m> but...
<ben_m> alonso is as good as gerrard imho
<ben_m> and we got him for £10m
<ben_m> or so
<dseanm> imho?
<ben_m> in my humble opinion
<dseanm> oh
<ben_m> nerd speak
<ben_m> ;)
<Audiocourses> lol
<dseanm> he looks good
<ben_m> we cod get a new striker, mid and defender for gerrard
<dseanm> erm
<dseanm> spose so
<ben_m> and i think gerrard wants to leave
<ben_m> i.e. chelsea this summer
<ben_m> gerrard is like owen
<ben_m> sees real as the be all and end all
<dseanm> hes a real scouser tho isn't he
<dseanm> or is all that dead
<ben_m> he is but i think he would def move
<ben_m> if the money was right
<dseanm> what if he thought he could win stuff with you
<ben_m> he hasn't been the same since the chelsea approach earlier this year
<ben_m> well, maybe he would stay
<ben_m> it all depends on our finances
<ben_m> we have several backers fighting it out
<dseanm> you got probs
<ben_m> no money at present
<dseanm> i mean have you
<ben_m> none at all
<dseanm> at least you've got a ground
<ben_m> yeah ;)
<ben_m> we do have 3 BIG backers in the mix though
<dseanm> is it that guy again
<ben_m> one of them makes abramhovic lok poor!
<dseanm> really
<dseanm> god is it
<ben_m> yeah, paul allen from microsoft!
<dseanm> jesus
<ben_m> about 5th richest man in the world
<ben_m> billions and billions
<dseanm> should be good for gates
<ben_m> he owns a few teams in the US
<dseanm> pun
<ben_m> haha
<ben_m> boom boom
<dseanm> lol
<ben_m> so
<dseanm> really interested
<ben_m> yeah
<dseanm> errm
<ben_m> him, thai consortium
<dseanm> sounds great
<ben_m> film director
<ben_m> and
<ben_m> Steve Morgan - building tycoon
<dseanm> him again
<ben_m> i want paul allen though!
<ben_m> :)
<dseanm> i bet
<dseanm> how much can he get u for
<ben_m> probably about £100m ish i reckon
<ben_m> maybe a bit more
<dseanm> i think we're now worth 10
<ben_m> we've got lots of future outgoings with new stadium
<ben_m> really?
<ben_m> shit
<dseanm> yes
<dseanm> only assets are players now
<dseanm> and they are mostly nobodies
<ben_m> no goldfish? ;)
<dseanm> lol
<ben_m> so , we wating for others or cracking on
<ben_m> ?
<ben_m> waiting
<Audiocourses> I'd crack on i guess..
<dseanm> any point in waiting any longer?
<dseanm> lets go
<ben_m> shall we do exam technique first then chris
<ben_m> ?
<Audiocourses> Yes..
<ben_m> ok
<ben_m> well first things first then
<Audiocourses> I figured you'd take a look at deconstruction of the question
<ben_m> yeah
<Audiocourses> cool
<ben_m> before that though
<ben_m> your paper will have x number of questions
<ben_m> how many chris?
<dseanm> 15
<ben_m> ok
<Audiocourses> yes
<dseanm> i've got all the past papers from site
<ben_m> so you also have 3 hours or so
<ben_m> as you probably know from past papers
<ben_m> some questions are worth more than others
<dseanm> yes
<ben_m> in marks
<ben_m> so obviously the big questions should be your priority
<ben_m> on getting the paper
<ben_m> have aread through
<ben_m> at least twice
<ben_m> make a mark next to questions you are 100% with
<ben_m> get these out the way first
<ben_m> bag as many points as you can straight off
<ben_m> so if you do run out of time
<ben_m> you won't be thinking that you missed out on any guaranteed points
<ben_m> onto questions
<ben_m> the questions themselves
<ben_m> point you in the right direction
<ben_m> if you interpret them correctly
<ben_m> some questions may appear ambiguous
<ben_m> but often they can be 'deconstructed'
<ben_m> one common exam technique
<ben_m> is to 'repeat' the question in the answer
<ben_m> so insted of giving a yes or no answer you give a structured sentence
<ben_m> repeating the key points of the question
<ben_m> does this make sense so far?
<dseanm> absolutely
<ben_m> good
<dseanm> its been about 18yrs
<ben_m> :)
<dseanm> but your reminding me of good points
<ben_m> often answers have a few key elements that can point you in the right direction
<ben_m> as chris mentioned earlier
<ben_m> the key is what the examiner wants to hear
<ben_m> not what you want to put
<ben_m> i'm looking for a good example a moment
<Audiocourses> How would you mic up a drum kit?
<dseanm> shall i answer?
<Audiocourses> Ben may have a better idea..
<ben_m> ok got one
<dseanm> ok
<ben_m> for instance
<ben_m> Describe three common ways an LFO might be used in analogue synthesis. Include references to other components of analogue synthesisers. Do not use abbreviations in your answer.
<ben_m> this is a relatively simple one
<ben_m> but from the structure of the question the best answer is quite clear
<ben_m> firstly you would extract the 'key' elements
<ben_m> in this case 'LFO' and 'analogue synthesis' (i.e. subtractive synthesis)
<ben_m> including references to other components...
<ben_m> obviously with traditional analogue synthesis
<ben_m> there are only a few components
<ben_m> VCO
<ben_m> VCA
<ben_m> VCF
<ben_m> so you would look for corellations between LFO and each component
<ben_m> (not using abbreviations obviously ;)  )
<ben_m> so how would you answer the question re: VCA?
<ben_m> in exam terms
<dseanm> tremelo
<ben_m> is that all you'd write?
<dseanm> no sorry
<ben_m> :)
<dseanm> was being quick for you
<ben_m> ehe
<ben_m> hehe
<dseanm> i'll answer
<dseanm> the low frequency oscillator might be used to modulate the voltage controlled amplifier to produce a tremelo effect
<ben_m> ok thats good
<dseanm> do i need to say what the effect is
<ben_m> yes
<ben_m> in fact
<ben_m> to really guarantee the marks
<dseanm> so i need to describe tremelo
<dseanm> as well
<ben_m> you could briefly explain what a 'tremolo' effect is
<ben_m> i.e. a variation in volume
<dseanm> this will cause the amplitude of the amplifier etc?
<ben_m> if you encompassed this into your answer
<ben_m> you'd be nailed on to get full marks
<dseanm> sorry ben just a avariation in volume
<dseanm> or
<ben_m> what is important is getting across an understanding of the concepts rather than a knowledge of the terminology
<dseanm> the modulation of the amplifier will cause variations in output volume producing a treme;o effect
<ben_m> myself and chris know that you know the answer
<ben_m> but the person who marks the paper
<ben_m> he won't know you from adam
<dseanm> ok
<ben_m> so you need to fill in all the holes so to speak
<dseanm> right
<ben_m> it sounds obvious
<ben_m> but in an exam situation
<ben_m> it's easy to think 'oh, he knows what i mean'
<Audiocourses> lol
<Audiocourses> so true
<ben_m> very common mistake
<dseanm> with you
<ben_m> ok another simple one
<ben_m> A computer is an essential part of music production and composition in the 1990s. Describe four different areas of application in widespread use and give an example of a popular piece of software in each area.
<ben_m> so...
<ben_m> the first part of the question sets the tone
<ben_m> you know it will be computer and software based
<ben_m> ignore the date ;)
<dseanm> lol
<ben_m> so, you have to describe 4 different areas of application
<ben_m> now this is really easy to gloss over as well
<ben_m> but again think from the examiners point of view
<ben_m> it's too easy to answer, 'reverb' 'chorus' 'flanging' 'delay'
<ben_m> obviously this isn't what the examiner wants
<ben_m> all of these would obviously come under one umberella
<ben_m> umbrella!
<dseanm> :)
<ben_m> so apply your knowledge to this - what are 4 distinct applicatons here?
<dseanm> i was thinking more of a sequencer audio editor vst instrument
<dseanm> and another one
<dseanm> eerm
<ben_m> ok to stop you there
<ben_m> sequencer - good
<ben_m> audio editor - good
<ben_m> vst instrument - could you be more general here?
<dseanm> ahh
<dseanm> software synthesiser
<ben_m> remember the software analogy chris made
<ben_m> ?
<ben_m> better
<dseanm> concept not software
<ben_m> good
<dseanm> sampler
<dseanm> software sampler
<ben_m> ok
<ben_m> think about it more logically
<ben_m> sampler is a good answer by the way
<ben_m> !
<ben_m> but not to vst instrument
<ben_m> ;)
<dseanm> ye
<ben_m> vst instrument is essentially what?
<dseanm> software synth
<ben_m> software synth - yes
<ben_m> you could say
<ben_m> sound source
<dseanm> oohh
<ben_m> for instance
<ben_m> you see where i'm coming from there?
<ben_m> taking the software element out
<dseanm> sound source sounds too vahue
<dseanm> vague
<dseanm> could be software synth sampler
<dseanm> or
<ben_m> it may sound vague, but it is also very specific
<ben_m> yes, it could encompass sampling
<ben_m> remember with this particular question you can explain your answers
<dseanm> they want an example for each tho
<ben_m> yes, so obviously you could mention
<ben_m> sequencing - cubase, logic, pro tools
<ben_m> audio editing - wavelab, cool eit
<ben_m> sound source - vst instruments, soft samplers
<ben_m> again here
<ben_m> you would want to pick obvious answers
<ben_m> and encompassing answers
<ben_m> so look for industry standards
<ben_m> going back to the question
<ben_m> what the question implies
<ben_m> with regard to your answers
<ben_m> is that you need to explain your answer implicitly
<ben_m> maybe in contrast to hardware?
<ben_m> so sequencing for instance.
<dseanm> looking at he process of composing recording mixing mastering on computer?
<ben_m> well take sequencing first
<ben_m> how would you explain that
<ben_m> to someone with no knowledge of computers?
<ben_m> just tudio knowledge
<dseanm> with ref to multitrack recording
<dseanm> incorporating midi
<ben_m> yes, thats a good start - so word it in an exam manner
<dseanm> just need to look at quest again
<ben_m> ok
<dseanm> the use of computers from the 1990's enabled the use of software midi and audio sequencers for example cubase, pro tools and nuendo
<ben_m> any more?
<dseanm> software sequencers such as these are used to record audio and midi parts into a computer
<ben_m> good but you could go a little deeper
<dseanm> In this respect the sequencer programme offers most of the basic functioins of a multitrack tape machine and mixing console
<ben_m> good!
<dseanm> also incorporates midi sequencing
<ben_m> expand on MIDI?
<dseanm> musical instrument digital interface which is the protocol for controlling sound sources which incorporate midi
<ben_m> ok re: MIDI lets look at the 'model answer'
<ben_m> Writing and storing MIDI data to be sent through a MIDI interface to synthesisers or samplers.
<dseanm> ok
<dseanm> not recording, storing and playing back?
<dseanm> in this context
<ben_m> no you can add that!
<ben_m> more points!
<ben_m> :)
<dseanm> ok
<ben_m> bear in mind this particular question can be answered slightly differently now
<ben_m> with better pcs etc
<dseanm> would you recommend that
<ben_m> i'd recommend being as descriptive as possible
<dseanm> i was going to go on to say all within the computer
<ben_m> without waffling of course
<ben_m> yes
<ben_m> so a good concise answer may be
<ben_m> modern software sequencers allow the recording and playback of both digital audio and MIDI information. The MIDI information can be used to trigger external or internal sound sources
<ben_m> Common software in this field includes cubase
<ben_m> pro tools
<ben_m> etc
<ben_m> etc
<dseanm> its a balance
<ben_m> again don't fall into the trap of thinking the examiner knows what you mean
<ben_m> you need to illustrate a understanding of the 'concepts' involved
<ben_m> if the examiner can see this in your answer
<ben_m> you're laughing! ;)
<dseanm> ok
<ben_m> its all very obvious really
<ben_m> you guys know the answer
<ben_m> it's just a matter of ensuring the examiner can see that you know the answer
<ben_m> if you know what i mean
<dseanm> yes
<Audiocourses> It's often very helpful to have it indicated in this manner though ben.. black and white.
<dseanm> bit of a balance
<ben_m> yes absolutely
<dseanm> between enough and too much
<Audiocourses> I imagine this will aid a great deal in focussing your exam strategy.
<ben_m> exactly sean
<dseanm> in a past life i was an nvq assessor and external moderator
<Audiocourses> Don't tell anyone sean
<dseanm> so i'm used to performance criteria
<dseanm> lol
<Audiocourses> ;)
<ben_m> thats reincarnationfor you!
<dseanm> don't go there
<ben_m> :)
<dseanm> do c and g have anything of that nature for this course i know its not a vq
<ben_m> brb
<Audiocourses> Well in order to obtain the qualification it is necessary to pass two exams..
<Audiocourses> As I am aware the examinating centre is therefore assessed.
<Audiocourses> The examining center is where your exams are marked.
<dseanm> sorry chris i meant in the sense of guidelines for candidates on standards for exam
<dseanm> or just leave it to you to interpret
<Audiocourses> The coursework is not part of the qualification, only the exam.
<dseanm> i know
<Audiocourses> You could register yourself for the exams off the street..
<Audiocourses> hence there is no argument for it.
<ben_m> back
<dseanm> ok
<Audiocourses> We do however have in-house guidelines, and reviews.
<Audiocourses> For our own performance measurements.
<dseanm> i was thinking more of
<dseanm> the course spec and things like candidate must
<dseanm> all very vq
<dseanm> probably not applicable
<Audiocourses> The style you see and approach taken here is 100% audiocourses.com
<Audiocourses> I imagine the run up for the exams differs radically with other institutions, in fact i know this to be the case.
<dseanm> ever assessed an nvq (i won't tell!)
<Audiocourses> So the interpretation we provide of the syllabus is based on our methodologies (of what we feel education ought to be) and experience for maximum pass rates.
<Audiocourses> Yes I was an FE and HE lecturer for a number of years..
<dseanm> you now how its all standards ans candidate must demonstrate
<dseanm> very diff i imagine
<Audiocourses> lol I know a bit about the educational systems
<dseanm> theres no question of getting in examiners head
<dseanm> bit different here
<dseanm> i've never done an nvq can't stand portfolios
<dseanm> i wasn't in any way questioning your methods or anything
<Audiocourses> Education should be about understanding oneself to a greater level..  that's about enough for me :)
<dseanm> hope you didn't think thast
<Audiocourses> No I understand that sean. :) don't wory
<dseanm> was just thinking about tuning myself into the examiner
<ben_m> i think that with the MT half you can to an extent tune in
<ben_m> much more black and white than the RT
<ben_m> you agree chris?
<Audiocourses> It's about being full-duplex rather than singular..   do the examiner head thing, to get the certificate.. and do the sean thing to get YOUR personal goals..
<dseanm> yea
<ben_m> very true
<dseanm> reminded when we chatted at the beginning chris?
<Audiocourses> yeah?
<dseanm> i was wondering about the level to pitch things at?
<Audiocourses> oh yes..
<dseanm> I've got a much better idea now
<dseanm> was just looking to see if there was more i could do
<Audiocourses> You have devloped very well sean.. good move you made to stay.
<dseanm> yea its been great
<dseanm> gonna do more
<ben_m> audiocourses becomes schmaltzy
<ben_m> ;)
<Audiocourses> Great, we are here and have plans too ..
<dseanm> lol
<dseanm> plans eh
* Audiocourses reaches for the cigar box
<ben_m> lol
<dseanm> lol
<ben_m> i love it when a plan...etc etc
<Audiocourses> lol
<Audiocourses> But seriously.. educationa is a dynamic...
<Audiocourses> Just like a game of rugby...
<ben_m> cough
<Audiocourses> we are all very significant in that team
<Audiocourses> I better get my coat right now
<dseanm> lol
<dseanm> what opportunities are there to run more practical courses online
<Audiocourses> Many options.. something that we are seriously looking at..
<dseanm> be great to do lots more practical based stuff
<Audiocourses> as well as custom courses
<dseanm> seems so much more poss with pc's and software
<Audiocourses> in fact we have a few custom courses now, tailored for individuals' needs
<dseanm> i know i'm lucky as i have a lot of good gear
<dseanm> custom courses?
<Audiocourses> Yes.. we run a ten week basic recording course..
<Audiocourses> and the weekly tasks are based on what people need..
<Audiocourses> to fit in with their desires, this would suit you probably..
<dseanm> we work out our own sylabus
<Audiocourses> exactly
<dseanm> sounds interesting
<dseanm> ow much!
<Audiocourses> The 10 weeker is cheap
<Audiocourses> $248.00
<dseanm> fine
<Audiocourses> http://www.audiocourses.com/sections-viewarticle-36.html
<ben_m> love that $-£ conversion rate!
<dseanm> very nice
<dseanm> tried to buy a american strat deluxe on line
<dseanm> 999 dollars!
<ben_m> any luck?
<dseanm> won't ship
<dseanm> bastards
<ben_m> thing is they sting you for import, customs, VAT delivery etc etc#
<ben_m> i buy stuff from us occasionally
<dseanm> no really
<Audiocourses> today it is 133.654 GBP
<dseanm> it was only 120 dollars to ship
<ben_m> yeah, they'll hammer you about 10% of item cost
<ben_m> then a fixed handling charge
<ben_m> then the uk end of delivery
<ben_m> and then vat on top of everything else
<dseanm> it really was a saving of about 300 quid
<dseanm> i'm vat registered
<ben_m> it is worth it occasionally
<ben_m> really?
<ben_m> that can help ;)
<ben_m> sometimes sellers will state a much lower item cost
<dseanm> yea
<ben_m> i got an acoustic gtr pickup and preamp from states
<ben_m> 3 day delivery
<ben_m> and after everything
<ben_m> I still saved £130
<ben_m> !!!!
<ben_m> on a pikcup and preamp for gods sakwe
<ben_m> rip off britain
<Audiocourses> yes it is!
<Audiocourses> Little Briton
<dseanm> yeah i got a new bridge for my tele from us
<dseanm> sorry chris
<Audiocourses> what for?
<dseanm> back to custom
<dseanm> courses
<Audiocourses> oh ok
<ben_m> haha - something lost there?
<Audiocourses> lol
<dseanm> i'll have a think about what i think i need
<Audiocourses> sure
<dseanm> and maybe you have some ideas?
<Audiocourses> of course... we can chat
<ben_m> well guys
<dseanm> i am v interested
<ben_m> i'm gonna love you and leave you
<ben_m> food is waiting
<dseanm> ben thanks for the tips
<ben_m> no worries sean
<ben_m> sure i was telling you how to suck eggs
<dseanm> the mocks/
<ben_m> !
<dseanm> no reminded me its been 18yrs
<ben_m> i'm glad it helped
<dseanm> did
<ben_m> ok, so next wek?
<ben_m> week?
<dseanm> what about these mocks
<Audiocourses> mocks can be downloaded.. tomorrow
<dseanm> ok
<Audiocourses> full info in the forums will be found
<ben_m> yoda i am
<dseanm> great
<Audiocourses> same time next week ben
<ben_m> good stuff
<ben_m> see you guys
<Audiocourses> cheers
<dseanm> see you same time next week guys and thanks

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