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mrbisto (21:10:23): hehe hi all.
g_everill (21:10:32): hi
mixindown (21:10:34): Hey,
beatworld_productions (21:10:37): Hi,
quinnersboy (21:10:37): hey
acousticalweaponsdivision (21:10:39): hello
freshwayne2002 (21:10:40): hi
beatworld_productions (21:10:43): you good everyone.
mrlydmann (21:10:45): hi
mixindown (21:11:03): just about.
mrbisto (21:11:13): Well, that has made me chuckle anyway
acousticalweaponsdivision (21:11:29): suffering from GMT confusion it seems
mrbisto (21:11:33): lol
mixindown (21:11:34): Sad.
mixindown (21:11:43): lol
g_everill (21:11:45): who forgot to put the clocks forward
mixindown (21:12:00): Its still BST here.
g_everill (21:12:13): oh
mrbisto (21:12:15): Some will not be here for another hour, you all realise?
mixindown (21:12:27): Yeah, the use midi.
beatworld_productions (21:12:29): Yeah.
quinnersboy (21:12:35): snow prob
mrbisto (21:12:4: it's cant still be BST, mixdown, it only just changed to BST
mixindown (21:12:59):
mrbisto (21:13:45): This happens most years by the way..
beatworld_productions (21:14:00): Also I'll have to take a break at 830 and I'll be back at 930. Hope thats ok. Chris?
mixindown (21:14:03): Oh its great to be in the know.
mrbisto (21:14:11): hehe
mrbisto (21:15:00): sure beat... Will have to be a fairly "ginger" performance from me this evening I'm afraid I have a rocketing temperature..
mixindown (21:15:09): Got some really nice midget gems here guys, I'll eat one for each of you now.
acousticalweaponsdivision (21:15:27): mmmm sweets
beatworld_productions (21:15:40): thx
mixindown (21:15:40): Nice uns too!
freshwayne2002 (21:15:59): don't mention sweets or I'll vomit! too much choc choc today!
mixindown (21:16:06): lol
mrbisto (21:16:12): Also ben can't make it this evening.. a double booked gig from way back,
beatworld_productions (21:16:31): ok. r u guys not on easter holiday?
mixindown (21:16:3: This BST thing is affecting us all boss!
mrbisto (21:16:4: what guys.. audiocourses.com ? - never sleeps... lol
mixindown (21:16:51): Yep.
beatworld_productions (21:17:31): cool. Whats the subject of discussion this week?
mrbisto (21:17:41): I think we have new people here tonight right?
mrlydmann (21:17:57): Yes, I'm new
beatworld_productions (21:18:0: Welcome mrlydmann
g_everill (21:18:12): yep thatd be me too
mixindown (21:18:16): welcom aboard .
g_everill (21:18:22): thanks
beatworld_productions (21:18:25): welcome you all.
quinnersboy (21:18:32): aye this be true
beatworld_productions (21:18:39): What course are you guys taking?
acousticalweaponsdivision (21:18:40): hello new people
g_everill (21:19:01): just about to start the basic audio recording
g_everill (21:19:0: so i know nothing
quinnersboy (21:19:1: recording techniques
quinnersboy (21:19:33): bit out of my league
mixindown (21:19:5: Hey guys, forgot to say, jalevin here. computer problems earlier this week so diff computer and diff name!
mrbisto (21:20:21): Why do you say "out of my league" ?
quinnersboy (21:20:42): i dunno lol
mrlydmann (21:20:57): Thank you, and I'll apologize for my English in advance. Production Mixing Mastering is my course now.
quinnersboy (21:21:03): ach it's not really just messin with your heads
beatworld_productions (21:21:23): where's everyone from?
quinnersboy (21:21:3: ireland
g_everill (21:21:46): scotland
mrlydmann (21:21:51): Norway, the land of the midnight sun
mixindown (21:22:07): would that be BST sun?
mixindown (21:22:15): lol
mrlydmann (21:22:30): yes
freshwayne2002 (21:22:53): what part of ireland r u from quinners?
quinnersboy (21:23:07): good old monghan
quinnersboy (21:23:13): you know that place
quinnersboy (21:23:21): the heart of farming
freshwayne2002 (21:23:42): Waterford here - the heart of blahs.....
quinnersboy (21:23:50): erooo
mrbisto (21:25:25): what's the heart of blahs?
quinnersboy (21:25:37): yeah what is that??
acousticalweaponsdivision (21:25:4: heh i was wondering that too
mrbisto (21:26:33): pokes you in the chest
mrbisto (21:26:37): oops
freshwayne2002 (21:26:37): a blah is a delicacy unique to waterford ...... a bread roll with flour on it - something we are proud of, No one else has blahs! (no one else wants blahs.....)
quinnersboy (21:26:55): food then
quinnersboy (21:26:59): lol
mixindown (21:26:59): Good glass crystal too.
quinnersboy (21:27:15): and i though waterford was famous for their crystal
mixindown (21:27:23): you got it.
quinnersboy (21:27:47): so do many here have there own equipment
freshwayne2002 (21:27:59): was famous.... factories in trouble! maybe won't last too much longer so if you have waterford glass hang on to it! moneys worth
beatworld_productions (21:28:25): i do
mixindown (21:28:50): go on beatworld, tell your gear.
g_everill (21:29:02): i just got a loan from the bank for some
g_everill (21:29:32): couldnt help myself
acousticalweaponsdivision (21:29:59): my equipments quite minimal at the moment
quinnersboy (21:30:21): what you's think of the behringer range at the moe
mrlydmann (21:30:40): I have some equipment
acousticalweaponsdivision (21:30:46): got a behringer mixer that isnt bad
acousticalweaponsdivision (21:30:54): does what is required of it anyway
quinnersboy (21:31:37): they are throwing out some reasonable stuff which is affordable
mrlydmann (21:31:44): got a Yamaha 02R with a Motu 2408
mixindown (21:32:19): Mackie HDR 24/96 (recorder), Yamaha 01v96 desk, AKG c3000b mic.
mixindown (21:33:11): Am seriously looking into a Mac.
mixindown (21:33:26): PC's don't please me.
mixindown (21:33:45): Anyone using a Mac?
acousticalweaponsdivision (21:33:50): yeah pc's can be annoying
mixindown (21:33:5: Of anykind?
mixindown (21:34:14): Any advice................at all?
quinnersboy (21:34:14): nope sorry
mixindown (21:34:24):
mrbisto (21:34:32): hehe
mrbisto (21:34:59): You just had a bad week mixindown
mixindown (21:35:02): Oh well, its apple.co.uk for me.
mixindown (21:35:09): lol
mrlydmann (21:35:09): PC's work very well, if you don't fill them with rubbish
mrbisto (21:35:16): good point
mixindown (21:35:31): Nop
acousticalweaponsdivision (21:35:36): haha so thats where i've been going wrong
mixindown (21:35:36): Dont work like that.
g_everill (21:35:4: does anyone know if carillon pca are any good?
mixindown (21:35:54): Sometimes others fill them with rubbish for you.
mixindown (21:36:07): VIRUSEsssssssssssss.
quinnersboy (21:36:47): those lovely ole things
quinnersboy (21:36:52): wreck your head
mixindown (21:37:05): and your gear!
beatworld_productions (21:37:15): yeah I use mac
g_everill (21:37:24): what do you mean?
mrbisto (21:37:25): hehe good timing beat
mixindown (21:37:27): Ah. a Mac person.
mrlydmann (21:37:37): Take controll over your PC, and if you got viruses, have you done what you should have done?
beatworld_productions (21:37:43): Yeah. I use both Mac and Pc.
beatworld_productions (21:37:5: Mac carries my protools LE and My Logic PRO7
beatworld_productions (21:38:10): sure MrBisto
mixindown (21:38:26): What about the pro tools hardware? Mbox or 002
mixindown (21:38:41): I know no midi on Mbox, thats the offput.
beatworld_productions (21:38:57): digirack002
mixindown (21:39:22): You use this with the Mac yeah?
beatworld_productions (21:39:40): Yeah.
mixindown (21:39:50): Is pro tools as solid as they say or is it more down to the mac.or both?
beatworld_productions (21:40:03): The performance is pretty cool even though u can design your pc to match
beatworld_productions (21:40:12): Its for both
mixindown (21:40:21): My concern is stability with the PC.
beatworld_productions (21:40:23): Protools is super for editing and mixing
beatworld_productions (21:40:31): Though you can mix on anything
beatworld_productions (21:40:43): PC can be stable if you avoid cracks in your system
mixindown (21:40:59): MT is helping!
beatworld_productions (21:41:04): Every programme overwrites your initializing file on Windows.
beatworld_productions (21:41:17): What's MT?
mixindown (21:41:2: Music Technology course.
acousticalweaponsdivision (21:41:49): the worst thing i find about windows is that it spies on you
mixindown (21:41:53): But the mac is more stable with running programs isn't it?
mixindown (21:42:20): I mean, if you crash the program, the whole system doesn't go down like windows.
beatworld_productions (21:42:51): aguably so. Only reason is because when install a programm it doesn't write to your initializing file of your OS.
mixindown (21:42:53): Programs are linked to windows whereas the mac is different (so I read).
mixindown (21:43:05): oki.
beatworld_productions (21:43:0: That's pretty much acurate
mixindown (21:43:23): How do you find it using both systems?
beatworld_productions (21:43:36): Look I've produced a lot of records and scored on the PC for a while before I started using Mac.
beatworld_productions (21:43:54): I find it easier mixing on the Mac don't have to worry much about power.
beatworld_productions (21:43:5: or performance
mixindown (21:44:13): So stability wasn't an issue?
beatworld_productions (21:44:44): I run a G5 and about to put it with a G4 Logic has a thing called Logic Node which you can use to run plugins with the power from another mac
beatworld_productions (21:45:03): Sometimes stability was a problem just learnt to leave with it.
mixindown (21:45:16): Yeah, your right mrbisto, I did have a bad week
beatworld_productions (21:45:47): Chris are you on PC?
mixindown (21:45:52): Beatworld thats interesting. Thanks for the info.
mrbisto (21:46:01): I'm on PC always have been
g_everill (21:46:07): i have question for anyone.. when u see a vast console in a studio where does the sound go? to a hard disk recorder or pc?
mrbisto (21:46:16): It's a shame ben is not able to make this discussion...
mrbisto (21:46:26): He would sure enjoy this one..
mixindown (21:46:2: yeah.
g_everill (21:46:29): or mac sorry
beatworld_productions (21:46:52): It depends on what the engineer choses to use as a recorder.
mixindown (21:47:15): Some will still go to tape.
mrbisto (21:47:39): in that instance.. I've used a PC controlling hardware g_everill..
beatworld_productions (21:47:5: Most studios record to either mac or pc this days. If they like their sound card they go straight most Jazz records are still recorded to tape while a lot of people use digital recorders
g_everill (21:48:47): thanks, i think in an ideal world my own preference would be to do it the old way and use tape
mrbisto (21:49:05): There are no hard n fast rules, much if this depends on what works for engineer, often a preferencial thing
mixindown (21:49:31): Hard disc is so much more convenient.
beatworld_productions (21:49:34): I wouldn't put a lock on that decision every situation differ.
mrbisto (21:49:43): g_everill, that's interesting, I've used 48 track tape also.. why would you prefer tape?
g_everill (21:50:14): no of course i agree, but s'times i dont like staring at a screen allthe time,
mrbisto (21:50:25): ohhh good point..
g_everill (21:50:27): i forget my ears
mrbisto (21:50:3: lol yes that can happen to some people.
beatworld_productions (21:51:36): Maybe u'll find this interesting. I'm about to finish mixing an album on my Mac. But I'm going to mix it down on tape via the SSL 4000G+ .
beatworld_productions (21:51:45): to tape I mean
g_everill (21:52:09): yes that does sound interesting but unfortunately i dont know what that means lol
mixindown (21:52:21): Because you prefer the difference in sound quality?
beatworld_productions (21:52:35): Varios reasons.
mixindown (21:52:51): Tell us a few.
beatworld_productions (21:52:56): The style of music in the country has neva been mixed to tape is one.
beatworld_productions (21:53:17): Two I like the signal path that the ssl has.
acousticalweaponsdivision (21:53:44): which styles that? its hip hop youre involved in isnt it?
beatworld_productions (21:53:50): I can push my levels hard and cheat distortion without killing my ears.
beatworld_productions (21:54:21): Kwaito its a type of music from SA house meets hip hop around 102 to 115 bmp
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beatworld_productions (21:54:39): Lastly nothing beats the sound of a good tape.
g_everill (21:54:53): if you are on a budget what would be the result if you rcorded s'thing digitally then recorded it onto a tape deck then back again, to get that nice effect that tape sound gives
beatworld_productions (21:55:57): That's exactly what I'm doing. The vocals where recorded on an NT1(mic) and Focusrite Voice Master as preamp.
g_everill (21:56:11): oh sorry
beatworld_productions (21:56:21): no problem
mrbisto (21:56:52): g-everill, you can only realy distribute on digital format these days..
beatworld_productions (21:57:0: though I would love to own my own 48track tape machine.
beatworld_productions (21:57:25): Chris what do you edit on?
g_everill (21:57:29): yes i mean that you record the tape back into the pc and then...
mrbisto (21:58:05): you can record back to whatever you choose as your mastering recorder
g_everill (21:58:19): ok
mrbisto (21:58:26): Soundscape, before they sold out..
mrbisto (21:58:32): was an excellent platform
beatworld_productions (21:58:51): yeah I hear a lot of post production guys still like it.
mrbisto (21:59:20): smashing gear.. we ran some tests (couple versions ago)
mrbisto (21:59:29): of PT vs SS
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mrbisto (21:59:51): we phase inverted a duplicate channel...
beatworld_productions (22:00:00): and?
mrbisto (22:00:1: and we heard zero with SS but, oh dear.. PT leaked a touch.. indicated timing issues... (very small)
mrbisto (22:00:25): I think they fixed it now..
beatworld_productions (22:00:36): Ah,
mrbisto (22:00:43): But PT became a sexy option quickly and had fantastic customer support
mrbisto (22:00:56): tough battle for SS
beatworld_productions (22:01:04): I think pt's strength is hardware more than anything.
mrbisto (22:01:21): they've got it going on now yep..
mrbisto (22:02:14): A few great albums under the belt.. sell it to the market of wanna be producers.. too.... very excessible
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beatworld_productions (22:02:41): I know what you mean.
g_everill (22:02:45): does anyone know what kind of mic most closely resembles the human ear?
mrbisto (22:02:46): Welcome all those people who arrived at the correct time
beatworld_productions (22:03:02): thats a tough one.
mrbisto (22:03:16): none, that i'm away..
mrbisto (22:03:33): the question is really what makes up the humar ear.. or what specifications.
beatworld_productions (22:03:54): I agree
g_everill (22:04:12): i suppose it might come down to what sounds most pleasing to the ear no?
mrbisto (22:04:1: the ear for one does not have a flat response...
chemirastudio (22:04:24): too many variables there
mrbisto (22:04:27): coupled with that the response changes with level
mrbisto (22:04:49): Fletcher Munsen curves come into play here ..
chemirastudio (22:04:55): angles you'd heed an array chart to do the math
beatworld_productions (22:05:01): I guess a good mic preamp also helps.
g_everill (22:05:0: well i need to do alot of reading anyway
g_everill (22:05:19): to catch up
mrbisto (22:05:20): g_everill, did any of that make sense?
g_everill (22:05:24): no
mrbisto (22:05:2: lol thought so
g_everill (22:05:2: not yet
mrbisto (22:05:33): let me state this important thing
mrbisto (22:05:52): 1. the ear will amplifiy frequencies differently at different levels..
g_everill (22:06:13): dynamic range?
mrbisto (22:06:26): hmmm
chemirastudio (22:06:31): SPL
mrbisto (22:06:3: do you understand the concept dynamic range?
chemirastudio (22:06:3: or Hz
acousticalweaponsdivision (22:07:00): the ear picks up 20 hz to 20 mhz i think
g_everill (22:07:13): yes i do, as far as my reading goes audio gear cannot reproduce the same frequencies
mrbisto (22:07:25): 20 Hz to 20 KILO Hertz..
g_everill (22:07:41): unless youre an elephant
mrbisto (22:07:50): 20 cycles a second to 20,000 cycles a second... in a perfect ear..
acousticalweaponsdivision (22:07:51): haha kilo hertz oops
mrbisto (22:08:00): now..
mrbisto (22:08:12): lets say that was on a graph
mrbisto (22:08:17): and we have a flat line...
mrbisto (22:08:34): so the vertical axis is representing level.. dB
mrbisto (22:09:17): when we use the jargon "flat".. we really mean the audio equipment is able to pick up all the frequencies equally as well.
mrbisto (22:09:19): right?
g_everill (22:09:2: ok
mrbisto (22:09:35): so it can pick up 100 hertz as well as 10,000 hertz.. ok?
g_everill (22:09:52): ok
mrbisto (22:10:00): the ear is not "flat" like that
g_everill (22:10:10): thank god
mrbisto (22:10:16): at different levels, the ears response changes..
mrbisto (22:10:27): at low listening levels we need more bass... much more...
g_everill (22:10:41): why?
mrbisto (22:10:43): much much more in fact..
mrbisto (22:10:57): because the ears response changes with level..
mrbisto (22:11:06): the ear is not good at hearing bass at low levels..
mrbisto (22:11:17): more energy is needed.
mrbisto (22:11:21): ok?
g_everill (22:11:23): right ok
mrbisto (22:11:34): this has implications for monitoring levels when masterng
beatworld_productions (22:11:50): Yeah, I think also when mixing
g_everill (22:11:54): yes i get it .. turn up the bass
mrbisto (22:11:5: IF we master/mix loudly
mrbisto (22:12:10): and create a wonderfully flat mix..
mrbisto (22:12:29): when this is played back at low levels we can often find the bass simply dropping out
mrbisto (22:12:32): thus...
g_everill (22:12:34): ok i dont want to hog the discussion
chemirastudio (22:12:55): kool good stuff
beatworld_productions (22:12:57): that actually happened to me earlier today
mrbisto (22:13:09): we should try to mix at LOW levels.., cause the result of turning UP the volume will then increases the bass, which subjectively most people like.
g_everill (22:13:2: thankyou mr bisto
mrbisto (22:13:34): even seen the "loudness" button on a stereo?
mrbisto (22:13:41): or an hi-fi amp..
beatworld_productions (22:13:50): yeah
mixindown (22:13:50): Bass boost!
mrbisto (22:13:55): exactly..
mrbisto (22:14:1: it's to compensate the bass at low levels... cause our ears are well.. human lol
mrbisto (22:15:11): be right back.. (you were not hoggin g_everil) I think it's a useful one.
g_everill (22:15:13): so your neibours will always hear the bass first right?
chemirastudio (22:15:31): ditto
g_everill (22:15:46): lucky them
mixindown (22:16:32): Bass soundwaves are very long (in meters), to through a lot of things.
acousticalweaponsdivision (22:17:19): its why its annoying if your neighbours listen to dance music
g_everill (22:17:25): lol
quinnersboy (22:17:2: lol
mrbisto (22:17:29): very
acousticalweaponsdivision (22:17:32): all you hear through the wall is a thumping bass drum
g_everill (22:17:46): yes damn them
chemirastudio (22:17:4: lots of energy is needed to move longer waves
beatworld_productions (22:17:57): yeah, that thumping bass sells records
chemirastudio (22:18:03): takes more material to stop it too
hoaxwagon (22:18:23): your neighbors neighbor will hear more bass
g_everill (22:18:32): i noticed that if you put your hifi speakers on the floor it gets worse
beatworld_productions (22:18:57): accoustical reflection
chemirastudio (22:19:21): beatworld , do you mix the fundamental as much as the harmonic overtone?
chemirastudio (22:19:42): Coupling transmission I think is what that is called
chemirastudio (22:19:57): Do NOT quote me on that
chemirastudio (22:20:05): I think I'm blathering
mrbisto (22:20:43): lets have that as homework..
mixindown (22:20:54): lol
chemirastudio (22:20:55): what
beatworld_productions (22:21:01): My weakness is having mixes with little bass. Makes it hard for the mastering engineer to push levels so I stay away from too much bass.
beatworld_productions (22:21:09): Homework I'm still lucky, for now,
acousticalweaponsdivision (22:21:15): what not quoting chem or blathering? hehe
chemirastudio (22:21:31): ahem
chemirastudio (22:21:46): AWD, ouch
chemirastudio (22:21:53): no band aid in sight
acousticalweaponsdivision (22:22:14): hehe sorry, was running on a 0% seriousness factor there
chemirastudio (22:22:2: quote unquote
mrbisto (22:23:12): how did the questions work out this week guys?
chemirastudio (22:23:22): A spin in spun me
quinnersboy (22:23:30): yea me too
freshwayne2002 (22:23:52): me too
chemirastudio (22:23:57): I onlywas able to find old AC quotes, no New info
mixindown (22:24:11): Difficult to search down a lot of these mrbisto
acousticalweaponsdivision (22:24:13): i'm not doing RT but that question had me totally stumped when i had a look at the RT questions
reynola31 (22:24:27): the MT questions were harder than the RT ones
hoaxwagon (22:24:40): which way did he go george
mixindown (22:24:45): I had the reverse reynola31
reynola31 (22:24:56): lol
reynola31 (22:25:06): MT killed me
mixindown (22:25:10): wanna swap?
mixindown (22:25:13): lol
reynola31 (22:25:17): sure!!!!
mixindown (22:25:20): lol
reynola31 (22:25:21): lol
mixindown (22:25:52): RT really stretched me this week.
beatworld_productions (22:26:02): what was the question?
mixindown (22:26:25): what is "spin in"? I think?
chemirastudio (22:26:37): What is " a spin In" was the ?
mixindown (22:26:41): My head is spin in.
chemirastudio (22:26:47): Ok
mrbisto (22:26:50): lol
chemirastudio (22:26:50): new answer
reynola31 (22:26:54): lol what is the spin in thing
chemirastudio (22:26:56): Wohoo
hoaxwagon (22:26:57): lol
g_everill (22:26:5: too much technology
mixindown (22:27:03): lol
beatworld_productions (22:27:03): lol
chemirastudio (22:27:15): I knew I could learn new stuff here
mrbisto (22:27:47): nobody got spin in?
chemirastudio (22:28:06): Mine broke? I think
mrbisto (22:28:22): shame
reynola31 (22:28:23): i didn't get it
mrbisto (22:28:30): what didn't you get about it?
chemirastudio (22:28:33): no no info came up as I googles alta vista'd etc
chemirastudio (22:28:40): googled oops
freshwayne2002 (22:28:47): A techy I know suggested it was a glance back to the days when you had to let tape speed up before recording to avoid speed ups in sound.... probably wrong?
mrbisto (22:29:06): fresh wayne , close to gold stars here..
chemirastudio (22:29:17): references??
chemirastudio (22:29:23): who's the techie
reynola31 (22:29:30): lol
freshwayne2002 (22:29:40): Pat Maher a rather kindly genius from Waterford!
chemirastudio (22:29:41): [techie]
acousticalweaponsdivision (22:29:45): golfers clap for freshwayne
quinnersboy (22:29:47): errooo waterford
chemirastudio (22:29:56): RAAAAAAAA!!
freshwayne2002 (22:29:56): monaghan maniac!
quinnersboy (22:30:03): crazy fool
hoaxwagon (22:30:0: nice
acousticalweaponsdivision (22:30:09): i mean applause, not a STD golfers are suceptible to
chemirastudio (22:30:21): STD?
mrbisto (22:30:25): STD = sexually transmitted disease
mixindown (22:30:30): lol
chemirastudio (22:30:37): lol
mrbisto (22:30:46): (oops couldn't resist)
acousticalweaponsdivision (22:30:50): hehe
quinnersboy (22:30:56): boys a john deere
beatworld_productions (22:31:1: guys I'll be back here in an hour gotta pick up my sister in law.
mrbisto (22:31:35): beat.. (we may have left by then) I may have should I say
mixindown (22:31:49): me too
mrbisto (22:31:54): Spin IN guys..
mrbisto (22:32:02): It's easier than you may think
mrbisto (22:32:32): It is to do with tape ..
mrlydmann (22:32:44): Are you guys taking about the prosess of taking a copy of a part of a track, copy it to another recorder and record it back to the source track at another place.
mrbisto (22:33:05): here we go!
mrbisto (22:33:19): welcome to the room
mrbisto (22:33:35): There is our spin in ..
beatworld_productions (22:33:43): I'll try be back as quick as possible.
beatworld_productions (22:33:44): Later
mrbisto (22:33:49): k
mrbisto (22:34:37): Mrlydmann nice one.. talking from experience?
mrbisto (22:35:55): everyone sleeping?
chemirastudio (22:36:06): CU, meters running, cash upfront
chemirastudio (22:36:09): noo
g_everill (22:36:15): with a glass of wine
reynola31 (22:36:21): lol
hoaxwagon (22:36:22): purging
mixindown (22:36:25): lol
mrlydmann (22:36:2: Yes, didn't know the name in the beginning
mrbisto (22:36:47): Wanna share this with us some more?..
mrbisto (22:36:59): What have your "spun in" ?
mrlydmann (22:37:27): It's not so esay to follow up you guys, when I'm so bad in typing English
mixindown (22:37:53): Your English is great.
chemirastudio (22:37:5: what have you "spun in" I think is the question
mrbisto (22:38:02): You are doing fine there, just fine.. everyone wnat's to know about your spinning
mrlydmann (22:39:07): Have use spin in on a lot of recorings of amateur choir, either that or never get finished
mrbisto (22:39:53): I see.. sounds interesting
chemirastudio (22:39:59): verse, chorus, repeats?
mrlydmann (22:40:33): mostly for the chorus
mixindown (22:41:24): Don't think I'm quite getting this, is this like copy and past in a DAW?
mrlydmann (22:42:34): With some alteration and different use of effects. And yes it's like copy and past in a DAW, but mostly done before the DAW, either with a sampler or another recorder
mixindown (22:43:2: why is it done in a separate recorder?
mrlydmann (22:44:16): worked with a analog 24 track before, and this was the only way to do this before the the DAW's come in the marked
mixindown (22:44:50): So is this process used much now?
mrbisto (22:45:23): If you work in a tape only studio sure..
mrlydmann (22:45:52): not if you are workin in the digital domain, I think
mixindown (22:45:53): ok.
mrbisto (22:46:22): everyone happy with Spin In now?
chemirastudio (22:46:34): yep
hoaxwagon (22:46:37): yep
quinnersboy (22:46:40): ohh yeah
mixindown (22:46:41): YES
freshwayne2002 (22:46:44): yep. must buy Pat a pint!
reynola31 (22:46:45): yep,
mrbisto (22:46:49): Thanks Mrlydmann!
mixindown (22:47:00): Yeah great.
acousticalweaponsdivision (22:47:09): thats put us all out of our misery
mrbisto (22:47:30): The world just keeps getting bigger and bigger huh lol
mixindown (22:47:4: mrlydmann, I'll send you my RT questions next week. lol.
g_everill (22:47:4: until it explodes
mrbisto (22:48:12): So any other teaser questions, from RT?
mrlydmann (22:48:30): Shit, what have I done
mrbisto (22:48:34): lol
reynola31 (22:48:37): lol
mixindown (22:48:51): lol
acousticalweaponsdivision (22:48:56): heh
chemirastudio (22:48:59): OK lLOL
chemirastudio (22:49:03): oopps
chemirastudio (22:49:06): LOL
mixindown (22:49:37): What time of day is best for vocals got some funny results!
mrbisto (22:50:05): oh yes
chemirastudio (22:50:21): I'd better check that
mixindown (22:50:25): There are a lot of vampires out there boss.
mrbisto (22:50:34): Personally I find that a very silly question..
mixindown (22:50:4: agreed.
mrbisto (22:50:57): Yet, it does appear from time to time in C&G papers
mrbisto (22:51:06): As do all of them we set..
mrbisto (22:51:1: But this one is particularly daft.
g_everill (22:51:1: do you think mood is important?
mrbisto (22:51:52): Do I think who's mood is important?
mixindown (22:51:5: lol
g_everill (22:52:05): the vocalists
freshwayne2002 (22:52:07): Just on the subject of questions - at times they can be answered with a yes or no or very brief answer - is that sufficient in exams or should we always explain ourselves fully? I mean - if its only for one mark or something why go long winded?
mrbisto (22:52:17): Freshwayne..
mrbisto (22:52:20): good point
mrbisto (22:52:30): YOU MUST explain youself each time..
mrbisto (22:52:39): not to the point of babble..
mrbisto (22:52:51): conciesly yet detailed
reynola31 (22:53:02): u can tell how mcuh to write by the number of marks awarded for the question
mrbisto (22:53:1: The thing is the exainer is looking for YOUR understanding of the question
mrbisto (22:53:25): So take the vocal question..
freshwayne2002 (22:53:30): Fair point!
mixindown (22:53:42): freshwayne, its easy to to go on and on and on. Sometimes, its a good idea to just go back and look at the question again when that happens.
mrbisto (22:53:54): You would want to indicate what you understand about recording vocals.
mrbisto (22:54:4: someone mention mood, the vocalist mood, certainly that is a factor.. and keeping the artist happy is most of the battle..
g_everill (22:55:13): just as an aside, is there any album anywhere that anyone would have loved to have beeb a part of,recording wise
mrbisto (22:55:20): but i;ve also worked on jobs where it is simple work for me and the artist.. then it's just a job.. mood is kinda not even considered..
freshwayne2002 (22:56:17): Guys do you mind if I shoot off, I have to go play for a load of fuddy-duddys at an Easter dinner dance in half an hour!
mrbisto (22:56:24): The point then is in your questions you are trying to show the examiner what YOU would do..
mrbisto (22:56:30): ok fresh
mrbisto (22:56:44): and why you would ..
mixindown (22:56:44): see yah.
chemirastudio (22:56:4: Later, no groupies now
acousticalweaponsdivision (22:57:03): bye freshwayne
quinnersboy (22:57:06): slan
freshwayne2002 (22:57:09): No such luck - I have a head like a cocker spaniel!
mixindown (22:57:16): lol
chemirastudio (22:57:19): OH
mrbisto (22:57:3: you wanna get a gig at the local kennels then
chemirastudio (22:57:44): LOL
mixindown (22:57:47): lol
acousticalweaponsdivision (22:57:4: haha
hoaxwagon (22:58:13): day job
freshwayne2002 (22:58:1: charming! i'll just go be a rock star so........
mrbisto (22:58:19): hehe
mrbisto (22:58:31): good man have a good one.
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mrbisto (22:59:3: With these questions you wan't to aovid seeming to be an "expert" or to "opinionated"..
mrbisto (22:59:56): It's far better to try to adopt a language which uses modal verbs.
mrbisto (23:00:07): such as "could be"
mrbisto (23:00:17): "ought to" etc..
mrbisto (23:01:00): Try to be suggestive with your answers ... ...
mrbisto (23:01:14): That vocal questions is a classic for that treatment..
g_everill (23:01:44): ok point taken myapologies]
mrbisto (23:02:3: Vocals "could be" recorded early in the morning, however should the vocalist be having troubles with early starts, then it "could be" moves to a later session..
mrbisto (23:02:59): What that actual question is REALLY asking you is that you understand fatigue sets in real quick!
mixindown (23:03:27): I have had that often in studios (recording vocals).
mrbisto (23:03:2: So if she aint sung it after the 17 time, it's "probably" best to postpone it..
mrbisto (23:04:36): Happens really quickly.. unless very pro and experienced.
mrbisto (23:05:23): Also the vocal chords are usually at their best not long after getting up.
mrbisto (23:05:37): So between that lot you should be able to compose your answers.. you know?
mixindown (23:05:53): yes.
hoaxwagon (23:06:06): yes
reynola31 (23:06:14): Yep
mrbisto (23:06:15): good stuff
mrbisto (23:06:41): I must say I'm impressed so far with the work!
mrbisto (23:06:51): Hope it stays this way.
mrbisto (23:07:41): Anyone got any questions?
g_everill (23:08:20): what is the difference between compression and limiting
mrbisto (23:08:29): Who's gonna answer that?
chemirastudio (23:08:42): Ratio vs Peak limit
mrbisto (23:08:52): In simple terms.. lol
mixindown (23:09:06): Limiting is like a brick wall, nothing gets through.
mixindown (23:09:30): Compression is more gentle, depending on your settings.
chemirastudio (23:09:43): Compression reduces volume to a specified ratio of input level
g_everill (23:10:11): ok thanks
mrbisto (23:11:2: ask away anyone.. and you g_everil..
mrbisto (23:11:3: it's good practise to answer.
g_everill (23:11:46): ok u asked for it
g_everill (23:12:00): if u only have 1 mic..
g_everill (23:12:15): and you want a stereo effect....
g_everill (23:12:54): is it feasible to duplicate the track twice and pan hard left and right and add some ambience
g_everill (23:13:11): as backround
mixindown (23:13:13): You would have the same signal on both sides then.
mrbisto (23:13:17): yep, but ...
mrbisto (23:13:31): you'd need the effect to create some kind of difference between the two.
acousticalweaponsdivision (23:13:35): double tracking would be better i think
chemirastudio (23:14:25): filtering and delay
mrbisto (23:16:2: g_everil, have you tried?
g_everill (23:17:19): yes i have but it didnt work yoo well because i didnrt really know what to do with the other tracks
g_everill (23:17:37): a good idea at the time
mrbisto (23:18:12): It's a very good thing to experiement as much as possible
mrbisto (23:19:36): anyone else?
chemirastudio (23:19:4: reamping and rerecording
mrbisto (23:19:4: all munching on easter eggs?
acousticalweaponsdivision (23:20:00): mmm chocolate
chemirastudio (23:20:09): could this produce more stereo content potential
mrbisto (23:20:44): lol
acousticalweaponsdivision (23:21:07): depends if they are stereo or mono easter eggs
mrbisto (23:21:19): I'm gonna have to cut loose soon guys, this fever is killing me.
chemirastudio (23:21:29): lol? another dumb un?
chemirastudio (23:21:40): any one record with a laptop?
g_everill (23:21:57): but how do you know when to use stereo or mono?
hoaxwagon (23:22:23): get well Chris Thanx
reynola31 (23:22:30): i use a laptop chem
chemirastudio (23:22:3: fix me up with some leads for a good laptop for recording
chemirastudio (23:22:45): I need to go portable
chemirastudio (23:23:2: kicked outa the house....not yet but portable firewire4-10 tracks kinda thing
reynola31 (23:23:3: lol.......i'm still compiling... lol but for sure get another sound card...for the PCMCIA slot
reynola31 (23:24:01): the internal laptop souncard sucks
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chemirastudio (23:24:09): pcmcia track count?
reynola31 (23:24:45): ??
mixindown (23:24:45): I was looking at the laptop scenario today.A lot of talk about slow hard drives!
mrbisto (23:24:59): See you all in the week when Im back on top of myself.. Questions as normal tomorrow. See ya!
chemirastudio (23:25:05): 7200 is high
reynola31 (23:25:07): bye!!
chemirastudio (23:25:0: later
mixindown (23:25:11): Take care boss.
hoaxwagon (23:25:13): ok
mrlydmann (23:25:15): bye
reynola31 (23:25:17): feel better
acousticalweaponsdivision (23:25:1: get well soon chris
quinnersboy (23:25:19): all the best
g_everill (23:25:29): thanks mr bisto
acousticalweaponsdivision (23:25:41): seeya
mixindown (23:26:25): Guys, been meaning to say, does anyone contact each other throughout the week with Yahoo Messenger?
mixindown (23:26:44): You know, recording chat?
chemirastudio (23:27:07): yep a bit
reynola31 (23:27:10): sometimes.. ...
acousticalweaponsdivision (23:27:17): i keep meaning to but so far ive forgotten to add everyone to my messenger list each week
beatworld_productions (23:27:26): I'm back
reynola31 (23:27:30): u all can add me and we can catch up during the week if u like
chemirastudio (23:27:51): hello BWP
mixindown (23:28:01): Well, I lost all mine with a computer crash so I'm gonna need ya all to add me again (jalevin) but as mixindown.
beatworld_productions (23:28:0: how was the rest of the chating?
mixindown (23:28:15): great.
reynola31 (23:28:21): yep great
chemirastudio (23:28:23): Good stuff
beatworld_productions (23:28:3: missed out I'll check the conversation later.
mixindown (23:28:50): Think we got a good buncha guys here.
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