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quinnersboy (21:58:41): hey all
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acousticalweaponsdivision (21:58:49): hello
reynola31 (21:58:54): hey all!!
mrbisto (21:58:54): evening
mixindown (21:58:59): Hi all
hoaxwagon (21:59:12): what's up everyone
mrbisto (21:59:39): smiles happily
mrbisto (22:00:42): Not too much, been chekcing out the new Daft Punk album
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mrbisto (22:01:34): you?
hoaxwagon (22:02:01): studying
mrbisto (22:02:13): What ya studying Hoax?
hoaxwagon (22:02:34): samplers
mrbisto (22:03:15): cool.. how is it going?
hoaxwagon (22:03:26): running a bit behind on the MT questions
mrbisto (22:03:54): yeah? Busy week?
acousticalweaponsdivision (22:05:43): MT was a bit easier this week i thought
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mrbisto (22:06:11): Was it? a bit mroe hands on?
skip_491 (22:06:17): hi
jaminuk (22:06:24): hello all
mixindown (22:06:25): It's sarting to make a bit more sence now. Both RT and MT seem to be interlinking more.
chemirastudio (22:06:29): hello, sorry
mrbisto (22:06:43): That's good, I guess you are getting your head into both subjects far more now.
mixindown (22:07:09): That's probably it, getting to grips with the new learning curve.
mrbisto (22:07:36): Could be I guess.
mrbisto (22:07:47): Seems to coming along well.. I'm happy.
mixindown (22:08:12): Well that must be a good sign.
hoaxwagon (22:08:27): that's good to know Chris
mixindown (22:08:57): Hoax, have you taken a look on the SOS site?
hoaxwagon (22:09:13): yes
mixindown (22:09:2: good info there.
mixindown (22:09:49): Also samplecrazy site.
mrbisto (22:10:0: ok guys..
mrbisto (22:10:1: We have a few ideas for this evening.
mrbisto (22:10:36): the first thing is we have a guy from another site, (he lurked a bit last week)
mrbisto (22:11:02): who wants to some background on you, he is writing an article about your course, and may well use some of your mp3// (don't faint)
mrbisto (22:11:30): this will take about 10 mins only.. and in fact I imagine he'll aks leading questions which will help you anyway.
mrbisto (22:11:52): Then after that I'd like to go on to talk more about the weeks work and furutre work ok?
chemirastudio (22:12:00): OK
hoaxwagon (22:12:10): right on
freshwayne2002 (22:12:13): k
mixindown (22:12:14): yep
quinnersboy (22:12:17): ok so
skip_491 (22:12:49): ponders the meaning of life
acousticalweaponsdivision (22:12:56): its 42
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mrbisto (22:13:0: Hi topdog_bossfan this is Eric Bell guys who is writing an article for O'Reilly's online digital audio section http://digitalmedia.oreilly.com/audio/
topdog_bossfan (22:13:17): hi everybody
chemirastudio (22:13:33): hello Topdog
mixindown (22:13:34): hi
skip_491 (22:13:3: hello
freshwayne2002 (22:13:39): Howdy
hoaxwagon (22:13:40): hello topdog
quinnersboy (22:13:42): hey
reynola31 (22:13:43): hi
acousticalweaponsdivision (22:13:43): hello
topdog_bossfan (22:13:4: friendly bunch!
mrbisto (22:13:51): Over to you Eric.
topdog_bossfan (22:13:59): Great, thanks mrb.
mrbisto (22:14:02): let's look at 10 mins or so.
mrbisto (22:14:05): cool
topdog_bossfan (22:14:50): Can you guys just give me a quick rundown each on where you are from, what your main instrument is, and what is the main thing you want to get from the course
topdog_bossfan (22:15:12): anyone go ahead and jump in - i'll take a transcript of the chat and figure everything out later!
topdog_bossfan (22:15:45): how about you mixin?
mixindown (22:16:01): From South Wales in the UK, Main instrument is guitar. Main thing I want out of the course is to be able to record better.
quinnersboy (22:16:11): F
topdog_bossfan (22:16:12): cool
chemirastudio (22:16:15): Nova Scotia Canada, Guitar vocals, I have a small project studio and I write songs, looking to improve on the sonic content and polish the mixes.
topdog_bossfan (22:16:29): awesome, another Canuck here
skip_491 (22:16:35): from pennsylvania, vocals, better qualitity recordings
chemirastudio (22:16:40): Yeppers Eh!
topdog_bossfan (22:16:46): Beauty!
quinnersboy (22:16:56): I is from Republic of Ireland, my instrument is the drums and i want to have a better understanding of recording
reynola31 (22:17:00): fromTrinidad keyboards, guitar, vocals, want to be able to make good recordings
acousticalweaponsdivision (22:17:25): I'm from the UK (near oxford), my main instrument is guitar and I'm looking to improve my knowledge and improve my recordings
topdog_bossfan (22:17:27): from cold to hot and in between
freshwayne2002 (22:17:29): Waterford, Irleand - Keyboard. Hoping to get some background to those mad terms I like to pretend I understand, and learn a bit more about recording on the way.
skip_491 (22:17:59): rlof fresh good answer
topdog_bossfan (22:18:26): I didn't know what to expect in terms of how far geographically everyone would be
topdog_bossfan (22:18:44): So how do you feel the distance learning program is working for you?
topdog_bossfan (22:19:06): Are you taking a big hit to not be able to be face to face? Or are the chats and interaction enough to keep you centered?
chemirastudio (22:19:15): I'm enjoying the chats sessions
hoaxwagon (22:19:32): I am from california and my main instrument is bass guitar. I want to learn more about music and recording . It's working.
quinnersboy (22:19:43): yeah it's pretty cool,it means i can still do me work during the day then concentrate on this at night
topdog_bossfan (22:19:47): Got a whole band represented, except vocals
freshwayne2002 (22:19:59): I find the support contact there when you need them, so replacing 'real' teachers so to speak is no problem.
chemirastudio (22:20:00): I SAY I sing
skip_491 (22:20:07): i'm an amutaur of the crowd and chris took extra time with me so i'm very satisfied
topdog_bossfan (22:20:07): I sing like a hinge
topdog_bossfan (22:20:1: Good on ya chris
hoaxwagon (22:20:19): lol
chemirastudio (22:20:23): I sing like a bird.......a Crow
mrbisto (22:20:24): smiles happily
freshwayne2002 (22:20:34): I can sing 'I'm too sexy' thats about it
topdog_bossfan (22:20:35): So you guys have a sense of kinship here obviously and that's important
mrbisto (22:20:3: lol
topdog_bossfan (22:20:42): would you say that's the case?
acousticalweaponsdivision (22:21:23): nobodies abused oneanother yet
topdog_bossfan (22:21:24): maybe I'll morph that into a better question
chemirastudio (22:21:25): I chat with members, not all the time but correspond
skip_491 (22:21:26): yah i would say so
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topdog_bossfan (22:21:42): If there was one thing missing from distance learning that you could use, what would it be?
quinnersboy (22:21:42): aye it's dead on
chemirastudio (22:21:59): The BIG GUY has killed me with homework (whine)
mrbisto (22:22:06): dating.. (oops sorry)
skip_491 (22:22:35): a room where the students could go to during the week and discuss and work on there homework
chemirastudio (22:22:4: I'd like ....More Neuman microphones
mixindown (22:22:51): Skip said it.
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freshwayne2002 (22:23:04): Actually good point
mpfcoh (22:23:07): evenin all
skip_491 (22:23:14): thats the only part i feel is missing
topdog_bossfan (22:23:1: so face time is very valuable - cool
topdog_bossfan (22:23:20): Let me just say I really enjoyed last weeks chat and I wanted to hear more and see how you all are getting on. You seem like a great group and the homework examples were fascinating. One final super important question: Fender? or Gibson?
mrbisto (22:23:37): lol
quinnersboy (22:23:51): pearl lol
chemirastudio (22:23:55): Gibder
topdog_bossfan (22:24:00): I'll turn that back to you Chris before a brawl breaks out. (Fender)
hoaxwagon (22:24:01): both
chemirastudio (22:24:03): Fenson
topdog_bossfan (22:24:09): LOL
mrbisto (22:24:10): hehe thanks Eric..
chemirastudio (22:24:17): Eric Cheers
mixindown (22:24:23): See ya eric
hoaxwagon (22:24:27): see ya Eric
skip_491 (22:24:29): both
freshwayne2002 (22:24:30): chow!
topdog_bossfan (22:24:31): I'll be lurkin...
skip_491 (22:24:35): see ya eric
chemirastudio (22:24:40): we all Lurk
quinnersboy (22:24:49): c ya
topdog_bossfan (22:25:04): Chris I'm allowed to listen in more aren't I?....
topdog_bossfan (22:25:07): <snif>
mrbisto (22:25:13): Indeed
mrbisto (22:25:14):
topdog_bossfan (22:25:1: thanks again folks
chemirastudio (22:25:36): Chat group Voyeur
mrbisto (22:25:37): ok people
mrbisto (22:25:45): Now regarding this weeks work for C&G what are the topics?
chemirastudio (22:25:47): Opps
skip_491 (22:25:51): cheers
chemirastudio (22:25:5: Reynola
mrbisto (22:26:07): hehe
mixindown (22:26:09): Sound effects and speach
chemirastudio (22:26:11): I moved my book
mrbisto (22:26:32): ACRT03 Sound Effects and Speech, ACMT03 Sampling 2 good move mixin..
mrbisto (22:26:35): primed nicely
reynola31 (22:26:41): FUNNY CHEM..... funny
chemirastudio (22:26:45): hello
mrbisto (22:26:59): Gold star flaoting it's way to you (thanks for the apple by the way)
chemirastudio (22:27:11): man
reynola31 (22:27:14): hahahhahahahahaha
skip_491 (22:27:1: lol
mrbisto (22:27:45): So we will be having another practical..
mixindown (22:28:02): Ahhhhhhhhh.
jaminuk (22:28:07): can i butt in....?
quinnersboy (22:28:07): slowely
mrbisto (22:28:1: sure
jaminuk (22:28:35): i did set a synthesis practical 2 weeks ago
jaminuk (22:28:55): but so far no replies to thread
chemirastudio (22:29:01): Wha, Where??
mrbisto (22:29:02): ohhhh
mrbisto (22:29:11): http://www.audiocourses.com/ftopict-1561.html
jaminuk (22:29:11): in the MT froum
jaminuk (22:29:13): forum
mixindown (22:29:1: Were we supposed to upload?
jaminuk (22:29:19): cheers chris
jaminuk (22:29:30): i would like to hear them
hoaxwagon (22:29:34): the plug in crashed my computer sorry
chemirastudio (22:29:3: yes I asked about it?
jaminuk (22:29:46): hoax - sorry to hear that
jaminuk (22:30:05): chemira - didn't get message - how did you send it?
chemirastudio (22:30:27): I think a PM
chemirastudio (22:30:31): just a sec
acousticalweaponsdivision (22:30:36): you want us to upload our results?
skip_491 (22:30:36): hoax u might not have enuff memory?
jaminuk (22:30:40): anyhow, even though synthesis topics have passed i'd still like to at least get you to try creating kick, snare and hat
jaminuk (22:30:54): yes, if you could upload sometime that would be great
chemirastudio (22:30:54): Kool fer me piano sucked
jaminuk (22:31:20): piano is very tricky with analogue synthesis to recreate faithfully - at least in terms of timbre
hoaxwagon (22:31:34): you got it boss
mixindown (22:31:50): brb
jaminuk (22:32:01): anyway
jaminuk (22:32:04): what i hoped we could do
chemirastudio (22:32:12): I took the EL piano and tried to mimick it with better results no joy though
jaminuk (22:32:16): is create a few sounds with aynth
jaminuk (22:32:1: synth
jaminuk (22:32:22): then record as wavs
jaminuk (22:32:27): then load them into a soft sampler
jaminuk (22:32:35): and program a rhythm track or something similiar
jaminuk (22:33:04): does that sound good?
hoaxwagon (22:33:06): sweet
skip_491 (22:33:06): like cubase
jaminuk (22:33:16): yes, cubase or any midi/audio sequencer
x016178 (22:33:16): cool
chemirastudio (22:33:36): I'm in.
jaminuk (22:33:47): anyhow, i'll post more in the forums - sorry chris, back to you
chemirastudio (22:34:04): MIDI gives me hives but I have to do it.
jaminuk (22:34:0: ha
mrbisto (22:34:0: not a problem ben, that's certainly very important, thank you.
skip_491 (22:34:39): hey ben by the way i orderd that fireface
mrbisto (22:34:44): all that creation of sounds, tuning the ears to create the corretc tonality will help the RT practical.
skip_491 (22:34:47): will be here tuesday let ya kow how it flys
jaminuk (22:35:04): skip - when it arrives i want an appraisial!
jaminuk (22:35:07):
skip_491 (22:35:29): you got it
mrbisto (22:35:51): I'd like you all to understand this weeks 2nd practical..
mrbisto (22:36:10): which is a Sound Effects Story
chemirastudio (22:36:2: Foley?
mrbisto (22:36:33): Invent a short story that can be told using sound effects only, using sound effects from any other effects library. Assemble a sound effects sequence using one effect at a time, editing the sequence tightly together with few, or no gaps. The sound effects should be the sounds that happen in the story, not sounds that give an 'impression' of the story. The duration of the story should be between 90 seconds and three minutes.
mrbisto (22:36:41): chem you got the idea
chemirastudio (22:36:50): Wohoo
chemirastudio (22:36:53): ZZZZZZ
chemirastudio (22:37:01): Sorry I love Foley
skip_491 (22:37:27): like old time radio
hoaxwagon (22:37:29): ok
mrbisto (22:37:34): Chem you are experience?
quinnersboy (22:37:4: hmmm thants a tricky one
chemirastudio (22:37:50): No I just like to pick apart movies
acousticalweaponsdivision (22:37:52): this the RT practical?
mrbisto (22:37:56): ahh cool..
mrbisto (22:38:00): yes it is
chemirastudio (22:38:12): Look at what is happening and try and figure a way to better represent the sounds
mrbisto (22:38:20): yes..
acousticalweaponsdivision (22:38:29): hmm well i'm not doing RT but I'll have a go anyway
mrbisto (22:38:31): This however, has no visuals..
chemirastudio (22:38:39): weird things sound right
x016178 (22:39:03): This is without narrative or dialog?
acousticalweaponsdivision (22:39:03): as it sounds like fun
mrbisto (22:39:10): sure, give it a go
mixindown (22:39:1: back
mrbisto (22:39:3: I'll be look for a fats moving story..
mrbisto (22:39:40): oops
mrbisto (22:39:43): fast!
skip_491 (22:39:43): is this more like someone walkin up a path and there footsteps or would it be like rain by someone playin a high hat?
mrbisto (22:39:44): hehe
mixindown (22:40:10): Um, tell a story in sound.
mixindown (22:40:17): Yeah?
x016178 (22:40:2: Ok.
mrbisto (22:40:29): this is someone jumping out of a high speed car to chase the andriod and save the world.
freshwayne2002 (22:40:31): Could be tricky!
chemirastudio (22:40:36): I'm trying not to picture what I should see but what I hear to create the picture of what I see
mrbisto (22:40:44): Dan Brown style..
chemirastudio (22:40:47): What android??
mrbisto (22:40:5: hehe any andriod lol
mrbisto (22:41:05): you make the story up..
skip_491 (22:41:10): lol who's dan brown?
acousticalweaponsdivision (22:41:10): done something like this before
chemirastudio (22:41:17): I was thinking of flowers blooming or something
mrbisto (22:41:22): I don;t wish to know your story I wish to understand your story by using my ears
mrbisto (22:41:46): you know?
reynola31 (22:42:04): yep, understood
mrbisto (22:42:1: Dan Brown wrote the DA Vinci Code.. (current best seller I think)
skip_491 (22:42:26): mixindown: Dan Brown is....is....I ain't got a clue.
skip_491 (22:42:2: lol
skip_491 (22:43:03): hehehehe>>>mix gotcha
mixindown (22:43:10): lol
mrbisto (22:43:15): now this story needs to be fast paced
chemirastudio (22:43:29): Heart beat tempo??
x016178 (22:43:36): a couple websites for downloading samples:
mrbisto (22:43:39): cause it's easy to have 3 mins of sea sounds.. and say the story was "someone sunbathing"
mixindown (22:43:44): get the machinegun drums out guys.
x016178 (22:43:44): http://www.looperman.com
freshwayne2002 (22:44:03): Where can I get a Llama farting effect?
mrbisto (22:44:07): lol
topdog_bossfan (22:44:0: might as well be nude sunbathing then
chemirastudio (22:44:09): Stealer sunbathing was mine
hoaxwagon (22:44:09): lol
skip_491 (22:44:12): rlof
skip_491 (22:44:13): rlof
skip_491 (22:44:14): rlof
mrbisto (22:44:15): Make it with bens synth practical!
chemirastudio (22:44:15): lol
jaminuk (22:44:22): ha
mrbisto (22:44:25):
chemirastudio (22:44:33): LlamaLlamaLlamaLlamaLlamaLlama
chemirastudio (22:44:39): Ha Ha
skip_491 (22:44:42): how bout a white canvas and say its snowin in alaska
mrbisto (22:44:5: yes skip that would you zero marks real quick! good one... hehe
jaminuk (22:44:59): no 'film noir' radio stories please
chemirastudio (22:45:19): Attack time come on
skip_491 (22:45:21): hahahhahaaaaa
skip_491 (22:45:32): but i loveeeeeeeee radio
chemirastudio (22:45:37): Is the Llama old or youngish?
mrbisto (22:45:3: The other thing, there is to be ZERO silence....
freshwayne2002 (22:45:46): middle aged
mixindown (22:46:02): Oh well, the sleeping nun scene is gone out of mine then!
skip_491 (22:46:06): ok but do pops and clicks count lol
jaminuk (22:46:07): ha
chemirastudio (22:46:13): Fast, little Low Fast
mrbisto (22:46:14): The story starts immediately with no pause after pressing the play button. The recording finishes within 10 s at the end of the story. There is a smooth fade out of background noise at the end.
skip_491 (22:46:15): rlof mix
mrbisto (22:46:30): There are no technical faults: excess noise, clipping, distortion etc.
mrbisto (22:46:46): Artistically, the standard of the story is high with good assessment of relative levels.
skip_491 (22:46:51): you want it very nice
mrbisto (22:47:13): I want it broadcastable.. I don't understand "nice"
chemirastudio (22:47:20): Chris can we pool on line Foley Freebie sites?
skip_491 (22:47:24): oppsssss
mixindown (22:47:31): nice is a buscuit.
mrbisto (22:47:35): Chem what you mean?
skip_491 (22:47:40): rlof shud up mix lol
mixindown (22:47:47): lol
chemirastudio (22:47:49): Down loadable foley sites
chemirastudio (22:48:04): Free ware stuff
chemirastudio (22:48:10): Sound effects
mrbisto (22:48:36): I don't mind where you obtain your sounds from, that's your business - but of course you'll need a good pool of them yes.
chemirastudio (22:48:45): OK
mrbisto (22:49:27): I have to say this is a good practical, really gets your ears tuned in...
chemirastudio (22:49:43): Final mix will be MP3 128bit
chemirastudio (22:49:50): not bit
mrbisto (22:50:12): what you think Ben?
chemirastudio (22:50:12): help
jaminuk (22:50:27): i would say that 192kbps is preferable
jaminuk (22:50:30): joint stereo
mrbisto (22:50:50): There we go guys..
freshwayne2002 (22:51:24): Thats a toughy!
skip_491 (22:51:25): what bout when u lose half ur channels when u go to 192?
jaminuk (22:51:43): lose half your channels?
mrbisto (22:51:4: Look for a job?
mrbisto (22:52:00): lol sorry Skip
jaminuk (22:52:1: as i said the other week, winLAME is a great MP3 encoder
skip_491 (22:52:32): when i go to o192 i lose the capability of half my channels
jaminuk (22:52:32): winlame.sourceforge.net
chemirastudio (22:52:39): thank you
skip_491 (22:52:45): in other words 8 channel adat goes to 4 channnels
mixindown (22:52:47): great.
jaminuk (22:53:00): oh i see - no for MP3 encoding it won't make any difference
jaminuk (22:53:12): you only change the stereo .wav file
jaminuk (22:53:30): you don't use any physical outputs for encoding
skip_491 (22:53:34): ok
jaminuk (22:53:47): you're thinking of higher sampling freqs and bit depths with ADAT
skip_491 (22:53:55): yes
jaminuk (22:54:0: MP3 encoding is completely software/algorithim based
jaminuk (22:54:20): sorry for the spelling of algo$£%£$^£&m
x016178 (22:54:40): this looks like a nice search engine for free sounds http://www.findsounds.com/ISAPI/search.dll
skip_491 (22:54:43): ok
x016178 (22:56:04): you can do lama farting here.
jaminuk (22:56:10): creating your own sounds is fun also - for instance i've read that one foley artist acheives the sound of someone being punched by slapping some kind of meat onto a tabletop
jaminuk (22:56:20): no innuendo intended by the way
freshwayne2002 (22:56:21): Ah yes but is it an authentic Nepalese Llama?
jaminuk (22:56:24):
chemirastudio (22:56:42): Deep thought
skip_491 (22:56:46): lol
x016178 (22:57:11):
mrbisto (22:57:1: Meat slapping is a good option..
topdog_bossfan (22:57:2: Cheque please...!
jaminuk (22:57:32):
mrbisto (22:57:39): And that's good advice from ben..
mrbisto (22:57:41): hehe
skip_491 (22:57:51): hahahaha
mrbisto (22:58:26): Is every one clear on the TWO practicals?
mrbisto (22:58:33): or shout if not..
acousticalweaponsdivision (22:58:51): yes
hoaxwagon (22:58:55): yes
reynola31 (22:58:59): yep
mixindown (22:59:04): RT story in sound, MT synth sounds.
skip_491 (22:59:05): considers investing in mutual funds
chemirastudio (22:59:07): OK
skip_491 (22:59:26): <<<wise guy
quinnersboy (22:59:3: yip
mrbisto (22:59:56): Good stuff..
mrbisto (23:00:47): So we've covered a lot of good things there....
mrbisto (23:00:50): onto the questions...
mrbisto (23:01:13): Has anybody found there to be any "difficult" un solved puzzles among them this week?
mrbisto (23:01:22): IF SO RAISE YOUR HAND
mrbisto (23:01:39): ducks out of the way
chemirastudio (23:01:40): Still need time almost done though
freshwayne2002 (23:01:54): Hand raised! Almost simultaneous tape recording????
skip_491 (23:02:09): washes and folds the laundry
mrbisto (23:02:19): What is the full contaxt fresh?
mrbisto (23:02:23): RT?
freshwayne2002 (23:02:31): 22. Describe in what conditions a DAT recorder may be capable of near-simultaneous off-tape recording?
hoaxwagon (23:02:44): beat me to it fresh
freshwayne2002 (23:02:51): couldn't find it anywhere!
skip_491 (23:03:24): 9 ms of latency?
mrbisto (23:03:32): hmmm
mixindown (23:03:54): Is it that you can monitor as you record?
mrbisto (23:04:37): yeah kind of - Did you find any useful DAT resources?
skip_491 (23:04:39): yes but you can mix, i have done it here
mixindown (23:05:01): not many
freshwayne2002 (23:05:06): I struggled to find any
mrbisto (23:05:41): Anyone have a crack at this ?
skip_491 (23:06:32): latency low audio qualitity high just to start
mixindown (23:06:3: Do you have to have extra heads on the recorded/playback.
mrbisto (23:06:5: "near-simultaneous" mean swhat?
mixindown (23:07:10): Almost the same.
mixindown (23:07:15): time.
mrbisto (23:07:15): indeed..
skip_491 (23:07:17): move atsame time
mrbisto (23:07:31): in the analogue tape world how is this achieved?
mrbisto (23:07:55): anyone know?
mixindown (23:07:59): Three heads on an analogue tape recorder?
skip_491 (23:08:00): <<opps dont kow i'm all digital
mrbisto (23:08:23): yes.. there addiitonal ehads in use, to send the signal ou for monitoring purposes.. right?
skip_491 (23:08:40): right
mixindown (23:08:41): ok
mrbisto (23:08:50): soit;s the same concept in DAT
mrbisto (23:08:51): but
mrbisto (23:09:1: does anyone know how DAT heads work? - does the tape flow passed the heads in the same way as analoge tape?
chemirastudio (23:09:35): Like a VCR right on an angle
skip_491 (23:09:3: no but i kow its not the same
hoaxwagon (23:10:0: not linear
chemirastudio (23:10:13): flat pan I'm out
skip_491 (23:10:14): analoge tape is magnetic
mixindown (23:10:15): the tape wraps quarter way around the head?
mrbisto (23:10:52): Basically someone mention it correctly, you have additional read ability incorporated into the head..
mixindown (23:11:32): was that me.,.,um...lol
skip_491 (23:12:27): one head will let you monitor and record at the same time?
mrbisto (23:13:07): Let me offer this to you: http://audiotools.com/dat.html
mrbisto (23:13:25): And now I'm searching for how the DAT heads are constructed then you will picture it clearly.
topdog_bossfan (23:14:35): Here's a good one: http://arts.ucsc.edu/ems/music/equipment/digital_recorders/Digital_Recorders.html
mrbisto (23:14:51): ahhh lovely
mrbisto (23:14:55): thanks eric
jaminuk (23:15:04): i noticed a few people struggled with 'tracking' in the sampling questions - would you like me to briefly go over this?
hoaxwagon (23:15:21): please
chemirastudio (23:15:23): Yes please
skip_491 (23:15:36): yah
acousticalweaponsdivision (23:15:43): yes, i'm not sure my answer was correct
topdog_bossfan (23:15:50): no problemo
jaminuk (23:15:50): ok, there are 2 important parts to this answer to get full marks from the examiner
skip_491 (23:15:52): thanks top good site
mrbisto (23:16:12): Yes thats site will explain it all..
jaminuk (23:16:35): we can broadly break tracking down into 2 categories - pitch and filter
jaminuk (23:16:59): lets say you load a note of a piano playing middle C into your sampler
freshwayne2002 (23:17:23): xcellent! thanks
jaminuk (23:17:3: 'pitch tracking' means that if for instance you hit D, the sample will be 'transposed' to D
jaminuk (23:17:55): without pitch tracking all keys on the keyboard would play the sample at the original pitch
jaminuk (23:18:02): is that clear
jaminuk (23:18:04): ?
mixindown (23:18:07): yes.
skip_491 (23:18:09): yes
hoaxwagon (23:18:10): yep
jaminuk (23:18:21): ok,regarding filters...
reynola31 (23:18:23): yep
jaminuk (23:18:36): when you set your filter parameters
jaminuk (23:18:46): they are (without tracking) 'static'
skip_491 (23:18:53): and when shift speed is adjustable is should be between 15 and 30 so that it sounds natural
jaminuk (23:19:1: so if for instance you set the cutoff at quite a low value
jaminuk (23:19:3: there is a risk that when you play higher notes the sound will 'disappear' as they will be higher in pitch
jaminuk (23:19:4: and therefore more at risk of being attenuated by the filter
jaminuk (23:20:05): so, if you apply filter tracking
skip_491 (23:20:06): very true
jaminuk (23:20:14): the cutoff is no longer static
jaminuk (23:20:30): the cutoff will 'move' depending on the note that you strike
jaminuk (23:20:49): more often than not the cutoff freq will increase as you hit higher notes
jaminuk (23:21:22): however you can on some samplers invert the tracking so the cutoff decreases
jaminuk (23:21:3: often the tracking is expressed as a percentage
jaminuk (23:21:55): so 100% will be a linear increase in cutoff with pitch
mrbisto (23:22:12): The same can be said for "tracking" in the analogue world right ben? For example in subtractive synthesis?
jaminuk (23:22:17): 15-30%, as skip mentioned, would be a more gradual
jaminuk (23:22:3: yes chris, many synths, not just subtractive, have tracking controls
jaminuk (23:23:00): so in summary
jaminuk (23:23:1: to ensure full marks
jaminuk (23:23:29): pitch and filter tracking should be mentioned in the answer
jaminuk (23:23:4: if you search on google there are a lot of resources
jaminuk (23:23:50): however...
jaminuk (23:24:04): you may find that searching for tracking alone will not yield many results
jaminuk (23:24:14): so try to search for "keyboard tracking"
jaminuk (23:24:32): this should reveal many sites and resources for both synthesis and sampling
hoaxwagon (23:25:04): thank you Ben
jaminuk (23:25:1: no probs
skip_491 (23:25:20): yep thanks that was informative
acousticalweaponsdivision (23:25:23): yes, thanks for that
skip_491 (23:25:2: i love using tracking
mixindown (23:25:35): great
mrbisto (23:25:43): Tell us more Skip...
hoaxwagon (23:25:5: lol
skip_491 (23:26:01): lol
jaminuk (23:26:05): you've done it now skip....
jaminuk (23:26:07):
skip_491 (23:26:16):
skip_491 (23:26:34): most probly dont use tracking but i use it alot here
skip_491 (23:26:54): and i found that 100% attack is the only way to go
skip_491 (23:27:23): i then use the pitch tracking and the filter tracking against each other untill i get the sound i want
skip_491 (23:27:51): i also like to add resounace to this signal
jaminuk (23:27:59): do you tend to set your filter tracking levels at a middle-ish note
jaminuk (23:28:09): and then adjust depending on the timbre of higher notes?
skip_491 (23:28:15): yes and then adjust by ear
skip_491 (23:28:21): but there must be a better way
jaminuk (23:28:34): this is a very common way of working
skip_491 (23:28:41): i think a guitar tuner might help me
jaminuk (23:28:59): its usually best to set filter values for notes in the region that most of the playing takes place in
skip_491 (23:29:02): i do have a meter that shows what note i'm playing and what note i'm sliding too
jaminuk (23:29:05): and then fine tune notes in the extremeties
skip_491 (23:29:27): yes and i use compression
jaminuk (23:29:31): btw - great software intrument tuner - http://www.jhc-software.com/gtune.htm
skip_491 (23:29:3: thanks to chris >>heehe
jaminuk (23:29:43): extremely accurate
skip_491 (23:29:52): ty been lookin for one
skip_491 (23:31:05): i also daisy chain to of these machines together so i can take some on one and some on the other
jaminuk (23:31:24): what machines skip?
skip_491 (23:31:26): so that the signal is not so changed dramatically all at once seems to work better
skip_491 (23:31:40): voice one and voice prism by tc helicon
jaminuk (23:31:51): cool
skip_491 (23:32:01):
skip_491 (23:32:16): real time is still a prbl
skip_491 (23:32:25): but recording works pretty well
jaminuk (23:32:43): can i quickly say that Digidesign have released a version of Pro Tools that runs on M-Audio cards!
jaminuk (23:33:02): as you can pick up s/h audiophiles for very cheap
skip_491 (23:33:13): is that like the digi 002?
jaminuk (23:33:22): this is an alternative way of getting into using the 'industry standard'
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mixindown (23:33:40): Mpower?
jaminuk (23:33:49): http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/ProToolsMPowered-main.html
skip_491 (23:33:50): hi chem
jaminuk (23:33:52): yes mixin
mixindown (23:34:05): When is this out?
chemirastudio (23:34:06): hello
jaminuk (23:34:13): i think it was released this week
jaminuk (23:34:22): or very recently at least
jaminuk (23:34:33): one thing that is interesting though
mixindown (23:34:34): I was thinking of going Pro Tools.
skip_491 (23:34:42): yah sweetwater was pushing that card here
mixindown (23:34:45): you have to have the hardware.
jaminuk (23:34:59): some people have had success in running this M-Powered PT with the Digidesign 1010
jaminuk (23:35:04): which is a 10i/o card
jaminuk (23:35:15): you can get these for around £200 s/h
mixindown (23:35:15): M Audio card 192 works.
jaminuk (23:35:3: the 1010 isn't officially supported
skip_491 (23:35:54): ut oh gonna be like mlan
jaminuk (23:35:56): but some people have been loading audiophile drivers for the 1010
skip_491 (23:36:17): cuz they cant get it to work lol jk
jaminuk (23:36:23): so you could (unofficially) have a 10i/o PT system for around £500
jaminuk (23:36:4: if you got the 1010lt this figure decreases even more!
mixindown (23:36:55): Is the Mpowered software diff from PT LE 6.7?
jaminuk (23:37:06): it is essentially PT LE 6.8 i think
mixindown (23:37:19): I hope thats more than 6.7
skip_491 (23:37:33): rlof @ mix
jaminuk (23:37:43): i think its pretty much the same, the extra number is probably due to differences made to allow it to run on M-Audio
mixindown (23:38:0: And there is an iLok involved.
jaminuk (23:38:14): yes iLok
skip_491 (23:38:2: i heard iLok was good
mixindown (23:38:43): Yeah, £40-50 good skip. lol
skip_491 (23:38:44): no need for clock
jaminuk (23:39:14): http://www.digidesign.com/products/le/
mixindown (23:39:49): I was on the phone to a few music stores here in the uk this week, no one had it though.
mixindown (23:39:56): any day now!
mixindown (23:40:16): It's all pre-order.
jaminuk (23:40:21): is an interesting move for digidesign
skip_491 (23:40:23): kool mix
jaminuk (23:40:3: although part of it is due to avid buying m-audio
skip_491 (23:40:41): people cant afford everything
jaminuk (23:40:42): so it's all the same company
mixindown (23:41:09): Mbox will probably die a death now.
skip_491 (23:41:22): hahahhaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
jaminuk (23:41:26): whether we'll eventually see a Pro Tools that runs on any WDM soundcard remains to be seen
skip_491 (23:41:46): good point thats why i'm gettin rid of mine
mixindown (23:41:51): Do they have their own ASIO drivers for Pro Tools?
mrbisto (23:41:52): If only they could hear you ben ...
jaminuk (23:42:02):
jaminuk (23:42:31): mixindown - who? m-audio?
mixindown (23:42:37): Yes.
jaminuk (23:43:3: i can't confirm this though as i dont own PT M-P or M-Audio card!
mrbisto (23:44:39): brb
jaminuk (23:44:5: anyone here got an m-audio card?
chemirastudio (23:45:19): Delta 66
jaminuk (23:45:49): apparently the delta range will work if audiophile drivers are loaded(?)
hoaxwagon (23:45:49): layla
jaminuk (23:46:02): hoax - echo! nice!
mixindown (23:46:22): EMu 1212m
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skip_491 (23:47:27): wb fresh
freshwayne2002 (23:47:40): Cheers!
jaminuk (23:47:54): on a less technical note - any of you guys heard of 'mcrorie'?
acousticalweaponsdivision (23:48:13): cant say I have
chemirastudio (23:48:15): no
skip_491 (23:48:16): hmm no
reynola31 (23:48:20): no
freshwayne2002 (23:48:21): Nope
hoaxwagon (23:48:21): no
mixindown (23:48:31): one man live....no
skip_491 (23:48:41): wow ben thats a strike out
jaminuk (23:48:44): bascially he's like a 21st century one man band
jaminuk (23:48:49): using MIDI controllers
jaminuk (23:48:56): 2 keyboards (like guitars)
jaminuk (23:49:01): MIDI triggers on shoes
mrbisto (23:49:04): Oh I saw that guy on a web cast a while back..
jaminuk (23:49:09): MIDI triggers on chest
jaminuk (23:49:19): absolutely incredible, not to mention hilarious
jaminuk (23:49:24): http://mcrorie.net/
mrbisto (23:49:35): That's the felllol
acousticalweaponsdivision (23:49:36): haha cool
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chemirastudio (23:50:0: too much free time
skip_491 (23:50:09): got him playin now
mrbisto (23:50:12): lol
mixindown (23:50:15): Sometimes, its hard to put a band together...
freshwayne2002 (23:50:16): What ever happened to the one man auto beat 'Rock 'n' roll' style that did for every song by changing the tempo?
mrbisto (23:50:19): lol
skip_491 (23:50:27): lol
chemirastudio (23:50:35): fashionably unique
acousticalweaponsdivision (23:50:44): didnt kraftwerk have a similar idea?
jaminuk (23:51:20): i think they may have been more tasteful?......
quinnersboy (23:51:50): right ohh i has to go now
quinnersboy (23:51:56): c yas all
jaminuk (23:52:00): cheers
skip_491 (23:52:02): see ya quinner
mixindown (23:52:03): I gotta write that guy some good tunes...He could do with em...
chemirastudio (23:52:03): WOW I can't compete with that
skip_491 (23:52:16): lol
mrbisto (23:52:22): I know Mick Fleetwood used to do a drum solo in his chest too.. with MIDI trigegrs..
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jaminuk (23:52:33): i like when he has tom rolls he beats his chest like tarzan!
freshwayne2002 (23:52:44): Ok, so is everyone looking forward to my 'Larry the Llama and the nuclear physicist' sound effect story?
jaminuk (23:52:4: and his funny little walk to keep the kick hats and snare in time
mrbisto (23:52:55): that's priceless yeah
mrbisto (23:53:0: Fit as a butchers dog
acousticalweaponsdivision (23:53:26): hahaha words fail me about this guy
skip_491 (23:53:26): sure fresh lol
mrbisto (23:53:52): Wel people we should start to wind this down for the week..
chemirastudio (23:53:57): Free speech I guess very artistic
mixindown (23:53:59): Hey acoustic, someone was gonna do it.
skip_491 (23:54:00): i thought he was pretty kool
freshwayne2002 (23:54:14): cheers all! see you next week! Tis good to be back!
mrbisto (23:54:17): any areas need clearing up?..
jaminuk (23:54:19): cheers fresh
skip_491 (23:54:21): sooner or later mix thats true
mixindown (23:54:29): lol
jaminuk (23:54:30): chris - my garage? you offering?
freshwayne2002 (23:54:3: lol
skip_491 (23:54:42): lol
mixindown (23:54:51): see ya guys..
topdog_bossfan (23:54:54): Thanks again folks - you can check us out here: http://digitalmedia.oreilly.com/audio/
skip_491 (23:54:56): nite mix
jaminuk (23:54:56): cheers mixin
skip_491 (23:55:04): kool top
mrbisto (23:55:04): Ben you think i'd get involved with all that old porn?
jaminuk (23:55:09): cheers topdog
chemirastudio (23:55:09): Will do Topdog
skip_491 (23:55:10): lol
jaminuk (23:55:11): haha
freshwayne2002 (23:55:25): porn? I can fit that into my story too.....
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topdog_bossfan (23:55:39): Here's my mugshot....http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/au/2144
mrbisto (23:55:40): hehe good luck with the weeks people.
topdog_bossfan (23:55:45): best of luck folks
chemirastudio (23:55:46): Prepare to Eject
freshwayne2002 (23:55:46): chow!
skip_491 (23:55:47): yah fresh go for it u got 90 sec
acousticalweaponsdivision (23:55:50): right, time to go
reynola31 (23:55:51): bye all... see u
mrbisto (23:55:51): ouch
acousticalweaponsdivision (23:55:55): bye everyone
chemirastudio (23:55:56): Gotta Go
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topdog_bossfan (23:56:03): Thanks again Chris
skip_491 (23:56:04): nite every;one
hoaxwagon (23:56:05): Ben, I'm on those questions I promise, se ya'll
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