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skip_491: hello
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mpfcoh: evenin all
jaminuk: hi all
acousticalweaponsdivision: evening
hoaxwagon: hello
mrbisto: evening
mrbisto: And a mighty fine evening it is.
mpfcoh: indeedy
hoaxwagon: sunny afternoon to ya
mrbisto: The summer has begun in Milan.
skip_491: its really nice here last few days
mpfcoh: and here too
acousticalweaponsdivision: raining here
jaminuk: same here
skip_491: rain rain go away come back some other day
mrbisto: lol
acousticalweaponsdivision: been raining on and off all weekend
jaminuk: wish that chant would work
mrbisto: hehe
skip_491: i bet u do
mpfcoh: the chant only works if you do the right dance with it
mrbisto: Now that I've seen..
jaminuk: damn, must have been doing the wrong dance earlier on
skip_491: try may showers bring june flowers >>hehehe
jaminuk: 'audiocourses is a great place to share pagan ceremonies'
skip_491: indian rain dance takes practices lol
skip_491: howlin
mrbisto: Pagan ritual is alive and well in Kernow for sure.
jaminuk: mebyon kernow
skip_491: that must be a big town
mrbisto: Pickies are said to be seen often
mrbisto: pixies that was..
mrbisto: don't know what pickies are..
mpfcoh: lol, i preferred pickies
jaminuk: piskies on north coast
skip_491: the lil fairies with the pixies dust?
mpfcoh: seen lots of pickies, but never seen a pixie
skip_491: rlof
mrbisto: ok.. pickies otherwise known as pixies are said to be seen down there.
mpfcoh: deep in the cornish forests?
skip_491: if you see one there ur troubles are over
jaminuk: never seen one myself
mrbisto: the troubless pixie
jaminuk: hence no end to my troubles
skip_491: lol
skip_491: you have to look by the ferns
jaminuk: will do
mrbisto: oh really skip?
skip_491: oh yesssssss thats where they hang out
skip_491: rlof
skip_491: you could just ask any 8yr old
mrbisto: yeah?
skip_491: ohhhhhhhh yeah
mrbisto: excuse me where are the pixies...
skip_491: they would be in ur heart
mrbisto: skip you just toldme you are 8..
skip_491: lol sometimes i feel like 8 sometimes i feel like 80
mrbisto: by answering I mean.. you said I could ask any 8 yr old.
mrbisto:
skip_491: but i only get a bd once every 4 yrs
skip_491: so when was i born? hmm?>>>
skip_491: i would really be 11 now
skip_491: <<ahh leap yr baby
mpfcoh: i never was very good at maths
skip_491: rlofffffffffff
skip_491: ((the room goes silent))))))))
jaminuk: <pin drops>
jaminuk: <a tree falls in the forest with noone around>
skip_491: i heard dattttt
jaminuk:
mrbisto: I had a couple sick notes that a few could not make it this evening...
jaminuk: there goes that theory
mpfcoh: sick notes, huh?
skip_491: hope everyone feelin better
mrbisto: sick notes skip yes.
mrbisto: Yeah me 2..
skip_491: lol@ jam
mrbisto: Ok I have some things to mention..
mrbisto: so here we go
skip_491: fire away
mrbisto: this is mainly c&g STUFF.. but some of it is still good for all in here.
mrbisto: 1. Podcasting 2. Mock Exams 3. Examination Techniques 4. Sample questions
skip_491: its all good
mrbisto: OK taking number 1 first..
mrbisto: Podcasting... anyone into this yet?
skip_491: too expensive
hoaxwagon: don't know of it
skip_491: the lil ipod thing
skip_491: u can make ur own radio station>?
mpfcoh: not entirely sure what it is
acousticalweaponsdivision: me neither
mrbisto: all good starting places then.. ok let me explain.
skip_491: can hold hundreds of hrs of music
skip_491: ok ur go chris lol
mrbisto: Podcasting is becoming more than a roll the eyes each time term..
mrbisto: No longer is it a mere geeky thing... it is getting serious attention of big players.
skip_491: you want us to get into this?
mrbisto: In fact podcasts on average get considerebly more listeners than many talk radio stations.
mrbisto: It works as so....
skip_491: thats true
mrbisto: content providers create audio content, like chat shows, or phone in, or similar content.. perhaps film reviews for exampe.
mrbisto: the content is saved as MP3 films...
mrbisto: and stored on the internet.
mrbisto: Users then use free software to subscribe to these feeds of content...
mrbisto: the software automatically scans for updates and will download the lastest content... for each subscription.
mrbisto: so we now have mp3s on our computer.. with me so far?
acousticalweaponsdivision: yes
hoaxwagon: yep
skip_491: yes
mpfcoh: yep
skip_491: but how do you make any money at it?
mrbisto: we can stop here and simply listen to the new content...
mrbisto: OR
mrbisto: we can plug our mp3 player into our USB slot and have the software transfer the content to our player...
mrbisto: so we now have this on our moveable player...
mrbisto: ideal for car... airports...
mrbisto: on way to work...
mrbisto: beach
mpfcoh: do you need dedicated software for this?
mrbisto: swimming pool
mrbisto: That is the concept of "podcasting"
mrbisto: For example.. I have an iPod mini...
mrbisto: I can sit by the swimming poll when off duty and relax but still listen to quality chat shows about some technology i may be interested in..
mrbisto: This is competing with MAIN AIRTIME radio..
mrbisto: you can imagine podcasts as time-shifted radio..
jaminuk: kind of content on demand isn't it chris
mrbisto: podcasts = iPod Broadcasting..
mrbisto: yes ben, good description.
mrbisto: Now a few questions came up...
mrbisto: firstly....
mrbisto: the software is free...
mrbisto: Ipodder, is free and will subscribe you to where you wish and download for you.
mrbisto: iTunes is also free and will stick the content in your mp3 player.. or iPod.
mrbisto: so dedicated but free.
mrbisto: The other questions was about making money...
mrbisto: Generally they do not.....
mrbisto: well not overetly..
mrbisto: sure some may have a few ads on (which will increase) but, the benefits of building an audience is where it is at.
mrbisto: Now moving on....
mrbisto: We have talked about audioblogging... http://www.audiocourses.com/blog
mrbisto: where you all as students can phone in and leave a blog...
mrbisto: many of you have (those who have not don't be shy)
mrbisto: That blog is now set up to be podcast too
skip_491: kool
mrbisto: So my software can scan and download new audioblogs... and I can listen to them in the car..
mrbisto: Well so can anyone..
mrbisto: we intend to build the podcasts also to include a variety of content..
mpfcoh: so whish software do you use for that chris?
mpfcoh: whish = which
mrbisto: maybe some of you would like to podcast for us also
skip_491: lol
mrbisto: http://www.audiocourses.com/podcasts.html
mrbisto: I put that up.. to answer those questions.
mrbisto: it includes the link for subscribing to.
skip_491: not active yet
mpfcoh: Sorry, this Module isn't active!
skip_491: lol
skip_491: thats what i got
mrbisto: damn, let me fix that
skip_491: gonna get a drink brb
skip_491: ok back >>wavin back
mpfcoh: wb
jaminuk: what drink you get?
skip_491: gatoraid want some?
jaminuk: not a fan of gatorade - makes me think of american football players for some reason!?!
skip_491: its like koolaid
skip_491: lol
hoaxwagon: lol
jaminuk: thats why i dont like - not the taste
jaminuk: is it a funky colour?
skip_491: american football players are over paid and under worked lol
jaminuk: lol
skip_491: yes itsssssssss blue
jaminuk: man, what they do is easy - give me acouple of pillows and a skateboard helmet - i'd be a millionaire
jaminuk: blue!
skip_491: lol
jaminuk: bit like the old panda pops
skip_491: yaaaaaaah
jaminuk: damn, i miss the 'panda pops'
jaminuk: as well as the mighty transform-a-snack
skip_491: fudge cycles too
jaminuk: quality crisp
jaminuk: only 10p
skip_491: lol
jaminuk: fudge cycles? don't remember them
jaminuk: what were they?
skip_491: ahh so good
acousticalweaponsdivision: heh good old transform-a-snacks
jaminuk: another fan!
skip_491: an choc icecream on a stick
jaminuk: oooh
skip_491: but its all bout the shape
jaminuk: ha
jaminuk: isnt it always
skip_491: rlof
jaminuk: i liked feast choc ice things
skip_491: no they just changed the shape recently
skip_491: what do you have over there like that?
jaminuk: scandalous
jaminuk: over where?
skip_491: in england
jaminuk: oh right
jaminuk: ooops
skip_491: rloffffff or could be in ur fridgerator?
jaminuk: umm, don't know to be honest - apart from feast i always laid off the choc ice thang
jaminuk: lol
skip_491: laffin choc is good
jaminuk: its been a long week
jaminuk: haha
skip_491: thats why you need choc and pixies lol
jaminuk: lol
skip_491: that will fix everything
jaminuk: thats where i've been going wrong
jaminuk:
skip_491:
mrbisto: Well that will have to be fixed tomorrow guys.. but
mrbisto: the software you need is:
mrbisto: http://ipodder.sourceforge.net/index.php
skip_491: good thing we got a teacher here or we would be outta hand lol
mrbisto: to subscribe to feeds
mrbisto: and your student blog feed (to subscribe to is): http://feeds.feedburner.com/audiocourses/UbGd
skip_491: ahh chris thats garabage
skip_491: came up with all the headers info
mrbisto: yep, it is suppoed to dude
mrbisto: it's called an rss 2 feed
skip_491: but then how do we work it?
mrbisto: lol
skip_491: ut oh
mrbisto: I told you, you use the software to subscribe to it.
skip_491: oh ok
mrbisto: The software knows what that "garbage" means.
skip_491: rlof
skip_491: shhhhhhhhh
jaminuk: lol
hoaxwagon: lol
mrbisto:
mrbisto: So reading between the lines, you can say audiocourses.com is Podcasting, and will be building that.. to include students of course.
mrbisto: Tis all good stuff
jaminuk: its a very exciting tech i feel
jaminuk: with the way tech is going at the moment
jaminuk: with it becoming more 'lifestyle' based
jaminuk: and more accessible to your average joe
skip_491: yah this is more like it
jaminuk: this is the seeds of something large i would imagine
skip_491: yup and were gettin on the ground floor
jaminuk: absolutely
skip_491: but i bet the politians wont like it
mrbisto: Especially since microsoft and the like are starting build in podcasts feeds into products
jaminuk: in a few years who knows where this will be? on demand radio broadcasts through your car stereo?
skip_491: like satilite radio?
mrbisto: In fact skip there is a podcast (and website) called extremedemocracy.com (i think) which is about the day when the internet will be a bigger political power than a national alone..
jaminuk: sounds interesting chris
skip_491: you kow it >>those guys are running scared
skip_491: now we kow too much
jaminuk: ha
skip_491: laffin
skip_491: some are tired of gettin killed
mrbisto: 0h man yeah.. let's move this on.
mrbisto: To point 2.
mrbisto: 2. Mock Exams
skip_491: oh boyyyyyy ok chris
mrbisto: This is C&G stuff...
jaminuk: ha
mrbisto: This week will see the C&G people sit mock exams.. right guys?
skip_491: good luck everyone
hoaxwagon: ok
mrbisto: Ful details of how to grab them (no it wont be podcast) will be in the forums.
jaminuk: ha
mrbisto: The thing about mock exams is to use the experience to empower your revision.
mrbisto: To prompt you into thinking about what areas you need to focus on.
mrbisto: Now about the exams..... you will have 15 questions on each paper.
mrbisto: And we suggest you set aside time in the week to put yourself into "exam conditions"
mrbisto: No books, no internet.. just your brain, paper and a pen.
mrbisto: Or else!
mrbisto: lol
jaminuk: we've installed webcams in your house
jaminuk: we'll know if you cheat
acousticalweaponsdivision: hehe
skip_491: rlof
mrbisto: yeh and we have mini servers in the documents you download.
jaminuk: lol
skip_491: holy mackerl
skip_491: lol
mrbisto: with "smart" tracking technology
hoaxwagon: yikes
jaminuk: we have the technology...
skip_491: may the force be with you
skip_491: lol
jaminuk: ha
mrbisto: speak like yoda we will
jaminuk: deed in
jaminuk: <wheres the tumbleweed smiley?>
mrbisto: hehe miserable lot
skip_491: hahahhaa
acousticalweaponsdivision: was trying to think of a suitable yoda quote
mrbisto: anything say you can
skip_491: keep think'n
skip_491: lol
mrbisto: yoda quote thinking of you were
acousticalweaponsdivision: think of one I cannot
jaminuk: lol
mrbisto: lol
mrbisto: you got it man!
skip_491: rloffffffffffffffffff very good ac
mrbisto: we need a student doing a yoda blog!
jaminuk: lol
jaminuk: i'd pay to hear that
skip_491: give it to ac he nailed her lol
jaminuk: haha
mpfcoh: aha, so now we know how to make money podcasting jam!!!
skip_491: laffin
jaminuk: lol
mrbisto: Mike you got it.. yoda like podcast
mrbisto: man!!
mpfcoh: beats the bloody crazy frog anyhow!!
mrbisto: calling i am from kent
jaminuk: dont start me on that frog
mrbisto: lol
jaminuk: if i ony throttle one frog this year...
skip_491: rlofffffffff
mpfcoh: lol
mrbisto: te he
jaminuk: ...i know which one it will be
acousticalweaponsdivision: argh, every commercial break there is a crazy frog advert
mrbisto: ringgggggggggggggging ging ging ing ring ging ging
skip_491: hahhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
jaminuk: its all paul mccartneys fault.....
mpfcoh: was reading today the bloke who invented that frog already made $10m
jaminuk: jeeeezuz
skip_491: gezzzzzzzzzzusssss and i guess he likes the frog lol
mpfcoh: sold his soul to sumthin small & green....
jaminuk: kylie minogue after too much guiness?
mrbisto: lol
mpfcoh: lol
mrbisto: toad worship
skip_491: arn't the associates of screw'em do'em and how?
mrbisto: im lost now
jaminuk: whats that? a no win no fee thing?
skip_491: thats the lawyers representing the frog
skip_491: lol
jaminuk: hahaha
jaminuk: he needs bodyguards who'll take a bullet, not lawyers
skip_491: its really an old comedy routine
jaminuk:
mrbisto: moving on then ...
skip_491: hahahaaaaaaaa
mrbisto: 3. Examination Techniques
skip_491: ok fun over lol
mrbisto: I wanted to discuss this for a while.. but have decided to hold on that till next week.
mrbisto: Which moves us onto 4. Sample questions
mrbisto: Again this will wait...
mrbisto: I think next week will sit better for everyone...
jaminuk: may be more peeps here then too
mrbisto: Which brings us right back to the frog
jaminuk: arrrrgggghhhhhhhh
mpfcoh: lol
jaminuk:
skip_491: ickessssssss
skip_491: lol
mrbisto:
mpfcoh: staying on the important stuff i see
skip_491:
jaminuk:
mrbisto: riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiing ging ging ing rinnnnnnnnnnnng ging ging
jaminuk: that frog is the 'spawn' of satan
jaminuk: see what i did there?
mrbisto: lol
mpfcoh: rofl jam
skip_491: rlof
mrbisto: now
mrbisto: speaking of frogs...
mrbisto: I think it is far to say he is well known for his audio identity?
mrbisto: fair i meant
mrbisto: fair to say..
mrbisto: I mean that sound is firmly in my head.. associtated with him...
mrbisto: much in the same way as the Nokia tune.
mrbisto: http://www.audiocourses.com/blog/2005/05/nokia-melody.html
mrbisto: We all know it right?
mpfcoh: only too well....
mrbisto: AUdio identity is an important part of branding these days..
mpfcoh: HELLO??
skip_491: yes chris thats right
jaminuk: jjjeeeeeezzzzz
skip_491: hi mp
mrbisto: also can be used in more musical ways than mere tunes...
mpfcoh: Sorry, that was Dom Jolly there, not me
jaminuk: lol
mrbisto: Ben has some experience working in the field of audio idents, or jingles... right ben?
jaminuk: absolutely chris
jaminuk: very interesting field
mrbisto: Maybe you could get into this for us...
jaminuk: sure thing
mrbisto: wouldbe interesting..
jaminuk: starting off with what you just mentioned
jaminuk: the nokia theme
jaminuk: the intel inside audio logo
jaminuk: the windows starting and shutting sounds
jaminuk: you all familiar with these
jaminuk: ?
hoaxwagon: yes
acousticalweaponsdivision: indeedy
skip_491: yes
jaminuk: well in the audio identity trade we call these 'stings'
jaminuk: occasionally 'logo'
jaminuk: very short pieces
jaminuk: but memorable
jaminuk: now, starting with stings
jaminuk: one thing that a lot of the guys who create stings for these large companies do
jaminuk: which is really quite interestig
jaminuk: interesting
jaminuk: is that the sting plays a melody that almost 'spells' out a word to a melody
jaminuk: for instance
jaminuk: the windows xp start up theme
mpfcoh: like "who wants to be a millionaire"
mpfcoh: ?
jaminuk: kind of mpfcoh
jaminuk: lot of syllables in that one though
jaminuk: but next time you listen to the windows start up sound
skip_491: like tell a story with sound
jaminuk: it almost spells out 'win-dows x-p'
jaminuk: on a syllable level
jaminuk: you'll find this with a lot of stings
acousticalweaponsdivision: ah like they do with tv themes sometimes
jaminuk: absolutely
mpfcoh: yeah that's what i was thinkin of
jaminuk: now, these stings obviously form an identity
jaminuk: or a 'brand' even
jaminuk: if we expand the horizons a little
jaminuk: we look at longer themes
jaminuk: such as jingles etc
jaminuk: what'll you'll notice is that lots of stations have what we'd call a logo
jaminuk: a short melody perhaps
jaminuk: now, when you are working on 'branding' a station or group of stations
jaminuk: you will find that this logo turns up in all audio idents
jaminuk: it could be a vocal, it could be a sax, it could be a guitar
jaminuk: a company i work with
jaminuk: we recently wrote a new traffic 'bed'
jaminuk: a 'bed' is a piece of music that sits 'underneath' the DJ/presenter etc
jaminuk: in this case, a traffic bed is the music you hear under your traffic report from the AA or similiar
jaminuk: so for instance in this case we had to fit the logo in
jaminuk: without it being too obtrusive as you can't take too much attention away from the person talking
jaminuk: so for a traffic bed you can do something like
jaminuk: and this may sound ridiculous
jaminuk: but its quite common
jaminuk: !
jaminuk: you could have for instance a car horn sample
jaminuk: playing the 'logo'
skip_491: thats a good idea
jaminuk: if you listen to radio
jaminuk: particularly commercial/non-bbc
jaminuk: have a good listen to all the different idents that are there
jaminuk: there could be different 'cuts'
jaminuk: i.e. a soul jingle, a rock jingle, a pop jingle
jaminuk: however, listen out and you'll nearly always hear the logo in there somewhere
jaminuk: now,
jaminuk: for a bit of head scratching
jaminuk: on a MT bent
jaminuk: heres the kind of issue that is common with audio branding companies
jaminuk: for the vocals on many jingles, professional singers are used
jaminuk: these vocalists are all over the country' continent or even the world
jaminuk: so it is not always convenient to bring them into the studio to do a 'sing'
jaminuk: most audio branding companies make use of ISDN technology
jaminuk: which is a form of digital phone line
jaminuk: anyone here heard of ISDN?
mpfcoh: yep
skip_491: yah big money
jaminuk: absolutely
hoaxwagon: no
jaminuk: ok
jaminuk: well in a nutshell
jaminuk: ISDN is slower than A/SDSL
jaminuk: ut quicker than broadband
jaminuk: and it requires a specific type of line
jaminuk: unlike DSL
jaminuk: ISDN can operate in 2 modes
jaminuk: 64kbps
jaminuk: 128kbps
jaminuk: anyone seen this figures in an audio context?
mpfcoh: yep
mpfcoh: mp3s
skip_491: yes
jaminuk: exactly
jaminuk: so with these lines, MP3s can be sent and receieved in (almost) real time up and down the phone line
jaminuk: it would work like this
jaminuk: at both ends - studio and vocalist - there would be a 'codec box'
jaminuk: this device connects to the desk/mic and provides the contact through the line - it has a type of modem built in
jaminuk: what is also has built in is a MP3 style compression algorithim
jaminuk: so for instance if we're playing a backing track to a singer
jaminuk: we'd send it via a group bus for instance
jaminuk: it would go to the box
jaminuk: be converted to MP3, sent down the line to the vocalist
jaminuk: it would reach the vocalists 'codec' box
jaminuk: and be turned back into actual audio
jaminuk: via XLR connectors
jaminuk: so there is AD conversion at one end
jaminuk: and DA conversion at the other
jaminuk: that make sense
jaminuk: ?
hoaxwagon: yep
skip_491: yes
mpfcoh: ben, this sounds very similar to what i just did on my latest prod, mixin & mastering assignement, although what i did was a bit more low tech
jaminuk: now, bearing in mind there are 2 conversion points and hundreds of miles of telephone cable, what could occur?
mpfcoh: errors?
skip_491: latancey
jaminuk: latency!
jaminuk: thats the one
skip_491: hehehehehe
skip_491: so u have to store up the signal then let it go thru?
jaminuk: now, thinking logically at what end would this cause a problem, bearing in mind the vocalists have a small desk that they can monitor there vocal from as well as the backing track
skip_491: the vocalist end?
jaminuk: almost
mpfcoh: the other end?
skip_491: shootttttttttttt thought i had it
jaminuk: ha
jaminuk: ok just to clarify
skip_491: lol mp u nut
mrbisto: almost lol
jaminuk: at the vocalists end
jaminuk: they hear the backing track from the box into the desk
skip_491: before conversion?
jaminuk: they have a mic plugged in
jaminuk: they either then monitor the signal from L-R via headphones
jaminuk: or if they are a bit more tech minded
jaminuk: they might set up aux bus 1 for instance
jaminuk: and then feed aux 1 with appropriate levels of backing track and vocal
skip_491: thatssssssss what i wana doooooooooo
jaminuk: so everything is hunky dory at their end
skip_491: with aux 3
jaminuk: ok, so what is the vocalist sending back to the studio?
skip_491: finished product?
jaminuk: almost
jaminuk: haha
skip_491: ahhhhhhhhhhh shot me now lol
mpfcoh: just the vocal track?
jaminuk: mpfcoh - right
jaminuk: they send just the vocal
skip_491: pfffffffff mp lol
mpfcoh: yeeha!
skip_491: rlofffffffff
jaminuk: the studio need the vocal in isolation so they can eq, add reverb, eq etc
jaminuk: so the vocal comes back
skip_491: ahh ok thats right
jaminuk: now, this is the part than can take some thinkinh out
jaminuk: but i'll trust you'll all work it out straight away
jaminuk: the vocal comes back into the studio
skip_491: lol
jaminuk: after going through AD-DA and miles of cable
jaminuk: in the studio we are playing the backing track to send to the vocalist
skip_491: ut oh
skip_491: not gonna be on time?
jaminuk: now, for instance, a vocalist in bristol on our system will be 320ms out
jaminuk: skip - correct
jaminuk: so we hear the track 'normally'
jaminuk: but the vocal is 320ms late
skip_491: YIPPPPEE 4 ME
mpfcoh: i would've got it, i was just suffering from latency
mrbisto: lol
jaminuk: lol
jaminuk: nice one
skip_491: RLOF MP
jaminuk: so obviously 320ms delay means we hear it all out of time
jaminuk: so we can't make sound judgements on how it sounds
jaminuk: with the track
jaminuk: so........
jaminuk: if you were put into this position
skip_491: another aux track?
jaminuk: how would you ensure we could hear the vocal in time with the audio track
jaminuk: ?
jaminuk: skip - expand
mpfcoh: delay compensation?
jaminuk: mpf - expand
hoaxwagon: 320 ms delay on the music
skip_491: hmmm think'n mute original signal
mrbisto: lots of ways of doing this guys so dont be shy
mpfcoh: delay the backing track by the same amout as the latency
skip_491: send it to andother aux
jaminuk: mpf - on the right track
skip_491: then add voice?
jaminuk: you're all on the right track
skip_491: must delay orginal signal 320 ms
jaminuk: very good all - good logical thinking here
skip_491: can mp do it that way or would the orginal singer not hear it right?
jaminuk: so, if we delay the backing track 320ms, will it now impede the vocalists version by 320ms
jaminuk: ?
jaminuk: moving everything about by 640ms!
mpfcoh: hmmm
skip_491: yes
mpfcoh: a conundrum
jaminuk: i am carol vorderman
mrbisto: come on guys...
mrbisto: think laterally
mpfcoh: send two backing tracks to the vocalist, one after another?
jaminuk: mpfcoh - wouln't that confuse vocalist?
jaminuk: they're not the smartest
mrbisto: (tip: you can listen to what YOU want in YOUR studio)
skip_491: not if one was muted?
mrbisto: lol ben
jaminuk: skip - expand!
mpfcoh: well its already confusing me, so probably...
skip_491: mute the second signal
skip_491: and then
skip_491: send it with the vocal track and ur in time
skip_491: does that really work?
jaminuk: which one is the second signal skip?
skip_491: the second backing track?
jaminuk: delayed one or real time one?
skip_491: delayed
jaminuk: oooh
jaminuk: ok
skip_491: ut oh not right?
mpfcoh: the other one!
skip_491: mp shud up lol
jaminuk: you're kind of on the right track
jaminuk: ok i'll talk you through it
jaminuk: but there are SEVERAL ways of doing this
jaminuk: here are 2
skip_491: i wana do this
jaminuk: firstly you can do this with a hardware delay unit
jaminuk: the signal you send to the vocalist you don't send to L-R in your studio
jaminuk: so it is not heard in the control room
jaminuk: another copy of the signal goes to a hardware delay unit via an insert(!)
jaminuk: you set the delay to 20ms
jaminuk: 320ms
jaminuk: sorry
jaminuk: you se the mix to 100% wet
jaminuk: so NO dry signal is heard
jaminuk: you set the feedback level so that only one repetition is heard
jaminuk: you then allow this signal into L-R
jaminuk: along with the vocal
jaminuk: voila
jaminuk: thats what we do in one room
jaminuk: the 'composition' room
jaminuk: in the 'comping' room
jaminuk: we take another approach
jaminuk: in the sequencer
jaminuk: (SX3 in this case)
jaminuk: and with a digital desk
jaminuk: (01X)
jaminuk: we set up a system whereby the backing track goes to desk
jaminuk: is not heard in L-R in control room
jaminuk: but goes to vocalist
jaminuk: another vocal track is sent to another pair of channels on desk
jaminuk: going to L-R
jaminuk: however in cubase
jaminuk: we put a delay in as an insert
jaminuk: on the 2nd buss
jaminuk: with same settings as the hardware unti above
jaminuk: is that clear?
skip_491: yes
hoaxwagon: yes
mrbisto: (just a correction, mean another backing track not vocal track)
jaminuk: sorry chris
mpfcoh: yeah think so
jaminuk:
jaminuk: my bad
jaminuk:
skip_491: he was just testing us lol
jaminuk: just to finish on this
mrbisto: And he did, didn't he!
mrbisto: Foxed you all.
jaminuk: after the vocal is recorded into the sequencer
skip_491: lol
jaminuk: it is still out of time
jaminuk: as it is still recorded in real time to the original (undelayed) backing track
jaminuk: so in the channel properties you can add a 320ms delay
jaminuk: or nudge by 320ms
quinnersboy: weell ppl i has to go now
jaminuk: doing this means that the vocalist can then hear backing vox in time
quinnersboy: be seeing ya
skip_491: nite quinners
mpfcoh: see ya q
jaminuk: cheers quinners
mrbisto: cheers
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skip_491: ben are there any rules bout when to use the inserts
jaminuk: in this instance we are abusing inserts
jaminuk: inserts affect the whole signal
skip_491: ok
jaminuk: so would usually only be used for compressor, gate, eq etc
jaminuk: however as we want to affect the whole signal
jaminuk: by shifting it in time
jaminuk: and ignoring original signal
jaminuk: the insert is the easiest option
jaminuk: usually delay etc would be accessed by aux sends
jaminuk: means all channels can access the FX
mrbisto: Good stuff huh guys?
jaminuk: this is the kind of creative thinking that you need to employ
skip_491: yah i think so
jaminuk: in day to day situations
mrbisto: Absolutely
mpfcoh: excellent stuff
mrbisto: Life as an engineer this is.
mpfcoh: presumably you need a dedicated point-to-point isdn connection?
jaminuk: no, not point to point
jaminuk: both ends need an isdn enable line
jaminuk: but the rest is done down standard lines
jaminuk: so you just ask BT to enable your line
jaminuk: you can also use it for net access etc
mpfcoh: wow
jaminuk: and voice conferencing
jaminuk: etc
mpfcoh: didn't realise that
skip_491: me neither
jaminuk: yes, the box is the expensive part
skip_491: yeh 6 thousand dollarsssssssss
jaminuk: interestingly isdn has carried on being used despite broadband
mpfcoh: less errors?
jaminuk: better timing etc
jaminuk: also
skip_491: they use it to produce commericals over here
jaminuk: these codec boxes
jaminuk: don't work on dsl lines
jaminuk: also
jaminuk: just to backtrak a min
jaminuk: what i mentioned about 64kbps 128kbps
jaminuk: as we're working with vocals
jaminuk: which are mono by nature
jaminuk: only one mic etc
jaminuk: you use 128kbps for a MONO signal
jaminuk: which is MP3 equiv of a 256kbps
jaminuk: so few mp3 artefacts
mpfcoh: right
jaminuk: hence quality is suitable for tv and radio
skip_491: but u drop half the channels when u use 128?
jaminuk: it depends on the application
jaminuk: obvioously dropping half channels is no prob when using mono signals
jaminuk: as you only need the one channel
skip_491: ok
jaminuk: however 128kbps takes up 2(!) phone lines
jaminuk: so 2xbill
jaminuk: !
jaminuk: you wonder why phone companies are so rich.....
mrbisto: hehe
skip_491: shhhhhhhhh
mpfcoh: cause they sell all those bloody frog ring tones
skip_491: rlof
jaminuk: arrrrrggggggghhhhhhh
jaminuk: <pacemaker kicks in>
skip_491: good shot mp
mpfcoh: sorry ben
jaminuk: <breathes deeply>
acousticalweaponsdivision: damn that frog
mrbisto: rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrriiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiing ging ging gin riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiing ging ging ging
jaminuk: since my dad got that ring tone i spend much less time with family...............
mrbisto: lol
skip_491: rloffffffffff
mpfcoh: lol
acousticalweaponsdivision: haha
hoaxwagon: hey everybody, got to go see ya next week
jaminuk: cheers hoax
mrbisto: well folks...
skip_491: nite hoax
mrbisto: tis that time.
mpfcoh: see ya hoax
hoaxwagon has left the conference.
mrbisto: last orders was called.
mrbisto: kicking out time.
acousticalweaponsdivision: seeya guys
mpfcoh: cheers awd
skip_491: you dont have to go home but you cant stay here lol
skip_491: nite ac
mrbisto: cheers
mpfcoh: g'night all
mrbisto: grab me tomorrow skip.
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skip_491: u bet chris
skip_491: nite mp
skip_491: i'm bound and determined to figure out these sends and returns
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skip_491: i'm outta here too nite all
mrbisto: no worries
jaminuk: cheers
skip_491: thanks buddy i'm gone
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