LilBuddy
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I'm having a slight problem with correcting the frequencies of my bass drums.
I can get a pretty good sound out of the simple kick...but the bass part is eluding me right now.
it's giving me that "vibration" bass instead of that deep, clean, pure bass sound. when i compare my bass drumlines to other songs, i hear the clarity of their bass patterns and i notice that mine really just cause a lot of vibration around...instead of "punching" and "dropping" like they are supposed to.
does anyone have any suggestions on what frequencies should be used, amped, tweaked, or left out to help me get a better overall sound.
i mainly do hip hop and r&b tracks, if the genre might help out some.
appreciate that in advance
yep yep
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Tue Dec 05, 2006 1:46 am |
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wailingalleycat
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hi lilbuddy
any chance of putting up a track somewhere that we can listen to? then we can give specific examples.
bare in mind that alot of tracks in this genre are produced using sampled or synthesized drum sounds.
as a start, and i may get shouted out for trying this, but click is around 3khz, thud is between 200-400hz and boom is around 120hz. try that as a starting point, also i suggest you look into compression and gating techniques which i can explain here when i have more time.
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LilBuddy
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ok, i'll use the frequencies that you put up to kind of explain what i mean a little more until i can actually put the song up. the "thud" frequencies are ok. its a nice clean kick. punchy, but not too overbearing on the remainder of the mix. but the 120hz down doesn't sound pure.
i've read where you should roll off any frequencies below 30-20hz as they are unneccessary.
i've also read where you should place a bell curve from about 80-60hz over the bass kick to get the best clarity and tweak it from there.
thanks for the previous information.
here's one song that i did. i want to do some more work on it. it's in rough draft status right now. let me know what i can do to make it sound better.
http://lilbuddyproductions.com/cut_ballad.mp3
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Tue Dec 05, 2006 9:29 pm |
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wailingalleycat
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its definately getting there lilbuddy, but i see what u mean about the kick. it is a bit lifeless.
im not just going to tell you how to do it, because its a personal preference, but ill try point you in the right direction.
find a song that you like the sound of the kick on, post a link to it here if u can, probs find it on myspace. and then tell me what you like about that sound and why you like it.
if you listen to your track the kick is just going DUH DUH, if you listen to alot of pop/hip hop records etc. you will hear that they have purposely let the drum ring, and in most cases used a small amount of reverb. so the drum is going DUHummmm. often this is achieved by using heavy compression. by setting a fast attack and then tuning the release time, you can reduce the initial click from the beater, and then use the make up gain, to raise the tail of the drum so it is audible for longer., so you get a fatter sound. but like i say, its all about preference, so go and do what i said in the previous paragraph. they key to good sounds is to listen! dont be afraid to go mad with the plugins and outboard to find out how they work and what you can do with them.
good luck
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P.s. My first tip to improve your kick drum in the mix, is to turn it up a bit! |
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Wed Dec 06, 2006 12:53 am |
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LilBuddy
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thanks, i'll definitely try that tonight when i get back to the house and post the new one up so a comparison can be done. i know what you mean about that kick. it's like it has no life at all. i'll adjust the kick as well. I've got a lot of other songs that I know i can juice up in one way or the other. my main thing is making sure the vocals lay over the instrumental like they are supposed to...where they are loud and clear, but not so overbearing. i feel like that song there was a kind of good mix with that, even though i felt the vocals were maybe a bit too loud. but who knows, when i amplify the kick and tweak it, they might be just right. thanks for the feedback though. |
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Wed Dec 06, 2006 2:12 am |
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amitbarde
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| everything that paul said.....and a little more.... |
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Hey everything that Paul said.....and you could also try eqing post or pre compression and check out the results. Sweeping the eq around and looking for that sort of resonating sound and then passing it through the compressor seems to work for me most of the time.
Or if you really think it isn't working out you could try and layer two samples and get the sound you are looking for. |
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Wed Dec 06, 2006 8:07 pm |
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conquistadore
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Hello lilbuddy!
What about chopping the waveform? Duplicate you kick drum track, then cut the waveform in half - so that if you hear it solo it goes - 'dug-click'. Then maybe compress the s***t out of it and add it with the original kick track..
You could also try adding some distortion, but its easy to get carried away with it so always keep the sound you are looking for in mind.
There is this plugin that comes with the Waves bundle called 'TransX'. It is designed for increasing the attack.. Its quite nice, it can make a dead acoustic guitar, kick or snare come to life.. |
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Thu Dec 07, 2006 11:36 am |
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LilBuddy
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thanks to everybody for the advice and suggestions....
so far i've used the frequencies given to me by w.a.c. and the sound is definitely different...its a lot fuller...i'll probably put another track up to show the difference and get some more input...
i invested in those wave plugins, so i'm sure that i have the transx plugin, but just haven't looked at it...i'll definitely give that a try when i get back on the boards...
once again i'd like to thank everyone for their input....it is greatly appreciated...
yep yep! |
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Thu Dec 07, 2006 7:37 pm |
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wailingalleycat
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quote:
Originally posted by conquistadore
There is this plugin that comes with the Waves bundle called 'TransX'. It is designed for increasing the attack.. Its quite nice, it can make a dead acoustic guitar, kick or snare come to life..
which bundle is that varun, i have diamond and mastering, and it isnt in those.
glad we could help.
sounds like an interesting idea, with the chopping up waveforms, could you go into a bit more detail, not sure i get wat u mean by chop it in half.
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