Rmuse
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Hi Conquistador,
Thanks for the advice. I find the plug-ins limiting because they have to be inserted into each track. Even simple little things like EQ. On the VS 2000, every track (recording or playback) has EQ and Dynamics already on the track. No inserting of plug-ins. If the PT plug-ins are RTAS, then they are using valuable processing power. This I find limiting. Plus, with PT there is a limitation on the kind of plugs that are available. There are so many free or inexpensive VST plug-ins that cannot be utilized unless a 'wrapper' is used and that is more expense.
I must agree that there are some cool things in PT, but I am 'old-school' in this field and my philosophy is that if the tracking is done right from the start, then the editing is not such a big issue. It has been difficult for me to make the transition to 'In the Box' recording with a DAW, and I confess that I like to turn knobs and adjust faders instead of 'mousing' through a project. Thankfully, there is Audio Courses to help ease me into the 21st century. Without AC, I would still be frustrated beyond belief. I have learned more from these forums than all the books, magazine articles and seminars combined. Keep up the great support and know that for many of us AC is the impetus for growth and maintenance in this most rewarding field. As for me and Pro Tools, the relationship (although contentious) is progressing. As long as I can move forward a bit at a time, I am not looking back; and that is a good thing.
Cheers
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Tue Jan 15, 2008 4:36 pm |
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conquistadore
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True. Default EQs is something Pro Tools can definitely do with.
Although professionaly I work on Pro Tools, if I had a choice of my own I'd work on Nuendo any day as far as the mix is concerned. But its all down to our individual tastes and what we 'vibe' with right?
Theres a lot of talk nowadays about Reaper. The non commercial version costs only $50
http://www.cockos.com/reaper/ |
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Tue Jan 15, 2008 4:45 pm |
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Rmuse
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Hey, is that you Varun?
I did try Reaper some time ago and it just gave my computer fits, so I ended it. But there is a lot of 'buzz' going around about the sequencing application.
I may give it another try because of all the free VST plug-ins that are available. I am getting the hang of Pro Tools a little at a time. It is just not as intuitive as Roland's VS series of stand-alone recorders. I think that after I give Reaper a second opportunity, I am seriously going to give Sonar a thorough investigative look. As you know, Pro Tools is limited to using a Digidesign hardware setup (as a Dongle). I believe that Tascam has some hardware that works on Pro Tools, but nothing else.
Okay then, I will try Reaper and stop bitching about Pro Tools. I wish it was down to tape machines; they were so much easier to work with and just had an awesome sound. Digital does have its advantages but I am hard to convince.
I hope your year goes great, and thanks for all your help and advice. Audio Courses Forums (and its participants) are the best.
Cheers
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Sat Jan 19, 2008 7:59 pm |
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conquistadore
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Hi Ron!
I too have been wanting to try Reaper..but havent had the time! As soon as I give it a shot I'll post up my thoughts on the forum.
And just a correction - as of now Pro Tools works ONLY with Digidesign and certified M-Audio hardware (although it is possible to use Apogee/Prism convertors with 'HD-Cards' on a PT HD rig).
What do use PT for? Recording and the mix? Do you do much editing?
And if you do want to have the flexibility of using VSTs with Pro Tools do look at FXpansion's VST to RTAS convertor
http://www.fxpansion.com
I just spent the last hour checking out PT 7.4 - elastic audio is real fun and just makes making music on PT (With loops atleast) a lot more easier! I need to see how it works for sound design. |
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Rmuse
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Hi Varun,
Thanks for replying to my post. I use Pro Tools (thus far) for editing only, right now. I may use it for mixing later because it has some features that my VS 2000 doesn't have (at least not that I am aware of). I do tracking on the VS and export the files as WAV to Pro Tools. I also have not (as of today) updated to 7.4, although I hear that it is a good update.
Thanks for the link to the FXexpansion VST to RTAS wrapper. I will get it next week and start investigating the plug-ins that are available. I haven't used a DAW at all except for learning Pro Tools for the courses here at Audio Courses. I think I mentioned in an earlier post that I am very 'old school' and would much rather use an analogue tape recorder. But, I sold mine some time ago (I am kicking myself even now) to get into the digital age. I have been kicking and screaming all the way into the 21st century. But, little by little I am seeing the wonders of a DAW. These forums have been an incredible asset in this regard. I still love knobs and faders, and as my budget allows I will get a control surface so I can 'tweak' knobs etc. Of course, before I get anything I will look to these forums for advice. I will be trying the new Reaper soon because the buzz is getting louder and even here in the US where Pro Tools reigns supreme, people are raving about it. I hear that it is very cool.
Thanks again for replying and the link. It is very much appreciated, plus, I found a tutorial (video) for the BFD drum plug-in that came with Pro Tools. I look forward to your posts all the time. You have been very helpful and forthright with your assistance. I do appreciate and value your input.
Cheers
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Sat Jan 26, 2008 9:57 pm |
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wailingalleycat
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Its a good idea actually that you have to insert each EQ manually.
Firstly it means CPU and/or DSP usage is kept to a minimum. Secondly it makes u think before going and screwing with EQ that may not be neccessary.
Think of it as a good quality mixing desk or a channel strip, where the EQ and often each seperate band of the EQ has a button to insert it into the chain. |
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Rmuse
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Hi Wailing...
I understand where you're coming from and agree that every track does not need EQ. I was only referring to the difference between a stand alone unit where if you want EQ or Dynamics it is already available, not needing to be inserted. There aren't CPU/DSP issues on the VS 2000, and if one needs to tweak, the extra step isn't necessary to insert and any changes aren't printed or permanent until you want them to be. For me, it is helpful when mixing to just turn a knob and hear it immediately. The permanent, printing stage is seperate. If you ever get an opportunity, check out a VS unit and see what I mean.
I do agree that messing with EQ takes some consideration and shouldn't be done arbitrarily though. On my machine any EQ/Dynamics is not permanent except in the tracking stage. I never use EQ to track because it is there and cannot be taken out later. It is nice though to tweak during playback without permanently effecting the recorded track. I will, however, take your advice during any Pro Tools tweaking because unless using RTAS EQ plugs, the EQ is there for the duration. Thanks for the advice. I need all the help I can get and value any suggestions.
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