AUdIoCoUrSeS
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DANIEL WORKMAN SR: Good Afternoon Ben
ben_audiocourses: Hi guys
ben_audiocourses: good to have us all here!
David Selonke: lol ya
ben_audiocourses: we have ken here this week who is a new student
Ken Boatman: hi everyone!
DANIEL WORKMAN SR: At least I got some one on one time while you were gone Dave. LOL
David Selonke: HI!
Me bisto has joined the conference.
DANIEL WORKMAN SR: Hi Ken
ben_audiocourses: yes thats true dan!
ben_audiocourses: hi chris
Me bisto: evening folks
DANIEL WORKMAN SR: Hi Chris
Me bisto:
David Selonke: ya sry but i got a new schedule now so I will be available for everyweekend
DANIEL WORKMAN SR: Great
ben_audiocourses: back in 2 mins guys - sorry
Me bisto: I was just doing a harmony part for someone, driving my partner nuts here.
David Selonke: lol
Me bisto: I usually save the louder stuff for in the studio in the week, but had to practise this part.
David Selonke: hey ben did u get my email or is it still being retarded
ben_audiocourses: back now
ben_audiocourses: david, i got your week 5 questions this morning
DANIEL WORKMAN SR: Did you get mine?
ben_audiocourses: from a doomfaery address
David Selonke: lol, ok ya it was probably morning there it was still night here
David Selonke: lol
ben_audiocourses: yes dan, got yours this morning also
ben_audiocourses: yes time difference meant it was this morning
DANIEL WORKMAN SR: It was late last night when I finally got done.
ben_audiocourses: it is dark here now!
David Selonke: its lunch time here
David Selonke: lol
DANIEL WORKMAN SR: I just ate lunch here.lol
ben_audiocourses: ha
ben_audiocourses: this would probably be a good time for ken to just type a couple of lines to introduce himself seeing as he is new
DANIEL WORKMAN SR: Dave did you get any of this blizzard snow last week that we got?
ben_audiocourses: if you don't mind ken?
David Selonke: yep
David Selonke: its melting now though
David Selonke: its nice today
Ken Boatman: hi all. I am new to this class thing, but I hope to learn a lot...
Ken Boatman: I am a professional musician with a home studio
DANIEL WORKMAN SR: Don't fret this is the first online class I have ever taken. It is different.
Ken Boatman: i do a lot of recording and hope to use this class to produce better qiality recordings and mixes
David Selonke: what kind of music do u play?
Ken Boatman: i have good equipment and softwre, but need to learn some basics
Ken Boatman: all types. Country, funk, rock and dance
ben_audiocourses: Ken is taking the 'mixing and mastering' course
Ken Boatman: sorry - should have mentioned that
David Selonke: o, lol
ben_audiocourses: hehe
ben_audiocourses: don't apologise ken
DANIEL WORKMAN SR: I can't wait to start that class myself
ben_audiocourses: yes you work with some great material on that course
ben_audiocourses: in fact we will take a look at one of kens mixes a bit later on
DANIEL WORKMAN SR: Great
Ken Boatman: agreed. the tracks are excellent and a lot of fun
ben_audiocourses: everyone had a good week then?
DANIEL WORKMAN SR: So Ken, where are you from?
Ken Boatman: North Carolina (USA)
DANIEL WORKMAN SR: Great State. I hail from Illinois but lived in Montana six years and can't wait to get back out there.
Ken Boatman: i am originall from Ohio, move here in 1990
DANIEL WORKMAN SR: Got smart huh? lol Can't beat Coast State living unless it is Mountains. lol
Ken Boatman: lol. very true. 2 hours from mountains... 3 hours from beach
David Selonke: I live on flat land
David Selonke: lol
DANIEL WORKMAN SR: I miss the Rockies myself.
Ken Boatman: hahah
DANIEL WORKMAN SR: You have the best of both worlds.
Ken Boatman: yeah - except for good food. there is a lack of variety here
DANIEL WORKMAN SR: What are they lacking in?
Ken Boatman: ethnic food (mostly)
DANIEL WORKMAN SR: You got to consider now that these are hill people and they like that down to earth american food. LOL
Ken Boatman: too funny
DANIEL WORKMAN SR: Maybe you can spice up their lives by introducing them to other foods. LOL
DANIEL WORKMAN SR: Bluegrass Country!
Ken Boatman: if i could cook - i would
DANIEL WORKMAN SR: Can you BBQ?
Ken Boatman: heck no
Ken Boatman: i make good cajun food, though.
DANIEL WORKMAN SR: Well then you'll just have to WOW them with your recordings.
ben_audiocourses: you guys have very varied cuisine compared to where i live, trust me
DANIEL WORKMAN SR: I don't know about that.
Ken Boatman: yeah - i doubt that
DANIEL WORKMAN SR: Some English women that I know can really cook.
ben_audiocourses: haha - you should meet my friends
ben_audiocourses: you'd soon take that back!
ben_audiocourses:
DANIEL WORKMAN SR: I learned to cook when I was in grade school. Mom made us cook so that we would know how when we left home.
Ken Boatman: smart. that's a true life lesson there
ben_audiocourses: my culinary skills are zero, nil, zip
DANIEL WORKMAN SR: Germany sure has some fantastic food. Brats and BEER!!
DANIEL WORKMAN SR: Course other things as well. LOL
ben_audiocourses: haha
DANIEL WORKMAN SR: I taught my wife how to cook a few things since we've been married. She use to make gravy that was lumpy as the mountains. Now she is good at it. LOL
Ken Boatman: hahahahahaha
ben_audiocourses: hehe
ben_audiocourses: lumpy gravy! nice!
DANIEL WORKMAN SR: When we lived in Germany my wife worked at the American Youth Activities Center on Post and we would cater the special even meals.
DANIEL WORKMAN SR: event
DANIEL WORKMAN SR: We make a mean cooking team. I make outstanding Baked Beans and Chilli. My baked beans are usually gone before anyone else's when we go to partys and reunions
Ken Boatman: im hungry again....
DANIEL WORKMAN SR: Kind of like Bush's baked beans; I have my own special receipe. LOL
DANIEL WORKMAN SR: I'm making myself hungray again too.
ben_audiocourses: how about we have a listen to kens mix before we all start salivating?
DANIEL WORKMAN SR: I had three Homemade BBQ Pork sandwiches for lunch and my baked beans.
DANIEL WORKMAN SR: Let's go for it.
ben_audiocourses: is it on the FTP ken?
Ken Boatman: yes it is
ben_audiocourses: whats your folder name?
Ken Boatman: im trying to login to access it now
ben_audiocourses: ok
David Selonke: not working for me
Ken Boatman: it is in the Week 2 - Dance Music Production folder
Ken Boatman: the file name is - One and Only (Ken's Mix).mp3
ben_audiocourses: hmm, cant find it here
David Selonke: its giving me login incorrect
ben_audiocourses: david - login details should be
ben_audiocourses: usernameart3
Ken Boatman: do you see the Week 2 Dance Music Production Folder?
ben_audiocourses: no ken i can't see it
Ken Boatman: the last song added to that folder was in 2005
Ken Boatman: it may be wrong folder
DANIEL WORKMAN SR: I got it
ben_audiocourses: no i see the problem
Ken Boatman: am i posting in wrong place?
ben_audiocourses: we usually post in the other FTP
Ken Boatman: i do not have other ftp address
ben_audiocourses: but it is not a problem this week
DANIEL WORKMAN SR: I am listening to it now
ben_audiocourses: don't worry about it
Ken Boatman: ok
David Selonke: whats the ftp address
ben_audiocourses: you found it david?
David Selonke: whats it called
ben_audiocourses: under week 2
ben_audiocourses: (kens mix)
David Selonke: k listening
ben_audiocourses:
DANIEL WORKMAN SR: Good Job!
ben_audiocourses: ken, maybe you could give us a brief description of what you did
Ken Boatman: ben and I agreed that i would use the course book as a "guideline" and developmy own mix on my own plugins and try to get the song sounding as best i could
Ken Boatman: I created the project and set all tracks to unity gain and starting mixing
Ken Boatman: i used Waves and UAD plugins along with Sonar 6 PE
Ken Boatman: I struggle with EQ, so this was a real eye opener for me
Ken Boatman: i learned a lot, but after I mixed the song, my EQ setting looked much different than the book
Ken Boatman: i compared the curves, but that was for reference after the fact
Ken Boatman: i used to use EQ to ehance the instruments sound, it was new to me to use EQ for making a "mix"
Ken Boatman: getting each track to fit in its own little pocket and co-exist with the other tracks was very new for me, but it was a lot of fun
Ken Boatman: that's about it
ben_audiocourses: i think you did a good job ken
David Selonke: ya it was good
Ken Boatman: thanks ben
DANIEL WORKMAN SR: Great Job
Ken Boatman: thanks.
ben_audiocourses: myself and ken have discussed his mix in emails
ben_audiocourses: but what do you guys (dave & dan) make of the mix
ben_audiocourses: remember this is material supplied to ken, he has no control over the musical content
DANIEL WORKMAN SR: I thought the EQ was great.
DANIEL WORKMAN SR: I haven't heard the original version to compare yet but I think he did a superb job on the EQ
David Selonke: its great
Ken Boatman: Ben, just for input... I tried a re-mix after reading your emails and I over did the bass and kick too much. It was more dominant than it should have been, so I left it alone and did not resubmit it
ben_audiocourses: ok ken
ben_audiocourses: yes the one thing i picked up on was that the low end in the track was slightly 'lightweight' for a club track
ben_audiocourses: low end being the kick drum and the bass synth
ben_audiocourses: i'll tell you a good trick for adding a bit of oomph to a kick drum
ben_audiocourses: and you can use this in many styles of music
ben_audiocourses: set up a synth with a sine wave at a low freq
ben_audiocourses: send this signal to a gate
ben_audiocourses: and send the original kick drum to the gates sidechain input
ben_audiocourses: what do you think this will do?
Ken Boatman: use the synth to reinforce the kick's sound?
Ken Boatman: thus adding frequency
ben_audiocourses: yes that is correct
Ken Boatman: additional freq
ben_audiocourses: and the gate is doing what exactly?
Ken Boatman: .... thinking...
ben_audiocourses: this is open to dave and dan also by the way - fingers on the buzzers.....
Ken Boatman: silencing the synth until the kick triggers it
ben_audiocourses: 10 points Ken - absolutely correct
Ken Boatman: yay
David Selonke: lol
Ken Boatman: SEE - i did learn something
Ken Boatman:
ben_audiocourses: hehehe
ben_audiocourses: david and dan, you getting that - i know that you've covered sidechaining a bit already
David Selonke: ya...kinda
ben_audiocourses: basically the gate is being 'opened' when the kick drum appears
DANIEL WORKMAN SR: Kind of. I haven't done a lot of serious mixing just made things sound good. lol
DANIEL WORKMAN SR: I did learn some things about gates though this week.
ben_audiocourses: thats good!
David Selonke: ya im still kinda lost on the whole gate thing...
DANIEL WORKMAN SR: I dabbled in recording some but mainly live sound on stage.
ben_audiocourses: david - what puzzles you about it?
ben_audiocourses: we can quickly run through a bit of gating now if you like?
ben_audiocourses: it's a useful tool
DANIEL WORKMAN SR: I am learning as though this is all new to me.
David Selonke: please
ben_audiocourses: well in it's most basic form a gate removes unwanted noise right? so a guitar player may use a gate to remove buzz and hum when (s)he is not playing
David Selonke: yes i understand that
ben_audiocourses: there are lots of times when using a gate in a studio is useful also
ben_audiocourses: for instance on vocals, also on toms for instance to stop unwanted background noise
ben_audiocourses: so with a typical gate, the way we determine when the gate allows sound through is by use of the THRESHOLD control
DANIEL WORKMAN SR: On vocals it would stop the picking up of breathing noise right?
DANIEL WORKMAN SR: and etc
Ken Boatman: not always
ben_audiocourses: thats right, and also any other unwanted noises
ben_audiocourses: but it will only work if the 'noise' does not happen at the same time as 'wanted' sounds
DANIEL WORKMAN SR: Got ya
ben_audiocourses: so for instance you can't remove someone breathing whilst they're playing guitar
Ken Boatman: yes - the threshold setting is crucial
ben_audiocourses: absolutely
David Selonke: how does the threshold setting work?
Ken Boatman: you also do not want to omit an intentional note
ben_audiocourses: the threshold is a value in dB
ben_audiocourses: and this is set at a level depending on the material you are working with
ben_audiocourses: if you have a vocal take
ben_audiocourses: you would find the quietest passage
ben_audiocourses: and set the threshold so that it allows this passage through
David Selonke: ok so it is set to just elminate sound below a certain lvl?
ben_audiocourses: any louder passages will then obviously be above the threshold
ben_audiocourses: exactly david
David Selonke: I GET IT!
ben_audiocourses: woo hoo!!
David Selonke: lol
ben_audiocourses: haha
ben_audiocourses: there are a couple of other controls sometimes
Ken Boatman: yay!
ben_audiocourses: attack and decay/release
ben_audiocourses: attack is how 'quickly' the gate opens
DANIEL WORKMAN SR: I thought this weeks lesson was pretty interesting
David Selonke: quickly?
ben_audiocourses: yes, basically with a attack of 0ms
ben_audiocourses: the gate will open as soon as signal level exceeds the threshold
David Selonke: ok so u can adjust the timing for what/?
David Selonke: ok
David Selonke: gotchya
Ken Boatman: If you don't mind me asking� What class exactly are you guys taking?
ben_audiocourses: this may sound a bit abrupt though
DANIEL WORKMAN SR: The Basic Recording Class
Ken Boatman: ok - thanks
David Selonke: we are newbies
David Selonke: lol
DANIEL WORKMAN SR: Just beginners. lol
ben_audiocourses:
Ken Boatman: me too
DANIEL WORKMAN SR: Doesn't sound like it. lol
ben_audiocourses: just to conclude the gating...
ben_audiocourses: you may also have a release/decay time
ben_audiocourses: this is how quickly the gate closes
ben_audiocourses: with a setting of 0ms
ben_audiocourses: the gate closes as soon as the signal falls below threshold
David Selonke: ok...i get it now...
ben_audiocourses: with a 100ms decay, the signal 'fades' out over the duration of 100ms
DANIEL WORKMAN SR: So what setting is best or does that have to do with what you are gating?
ben_audiocourses: it is totally dependent on what you are gating
ben_audiocourses: drums and percussive sources will require a quick attack
Ken Boatman: I can see how this would be useful for reinforcing the sound of a kick drum, very interesting
ben_audiocourses: to get the initial transients
ben_audiocourses: yes indeed, gating as well as compression can also be used to 'shape' sounds
ben_audiocourses: as a gate does not have to close to silence
Ken Boatman: totally agree
ben_audiocourses: it can just attenuate
Ken Boatman: i learned a lot about compression too this week
ben_audiocourses: yes compression is very important, really one of the cornerstones of engineering
ben_audiocourses: dan and david, you can get some nice freeware compressors and gates off the net to experiement with
David Selonke: yes iv been messing with cubase
ben_audiocourses: a good set of free tools are here - http://www.digitalfishphones.com/main.php?item=2&subItem=5
Ken Boatman: I took a few of the tracks and created a segment which would loop over and over again. I then played with different settings of the compressor and was really a maze Ste when I heard the vast possibilities which were possible
DANIEL WORKMAN SR: I have sonar 6 PE
ben_audiocourses: yes compression really lets you mould a sound
ben_audiocourses: dan - i think these are VST so you may need a VST/DX wrapper
Ken Boatman: sonar handles VST's very well
ben_audiocourses: does it - i have to admit i'm not a sonar user so i'm not up to date with it
ben_audiocourses: you use sonar don't you ken
Ken Boatman: sonar has a plugin manager for VST's
Ken Boatman: yes, i do
DANIEL WORKMAN SR: Thanks Ken. I haven't had sonar very long and am just learning how to use it.
ben_audiocourses: ah great, so these should work fine
Ken Boatman: i have Sonar 6 PE
ben_audiocourses: i mostly use cubase
Ken Boatman: just import them with the plugin manager before launching Sonar. You should be good to go after that
David Selonke: i have LE, it came with my small mixer but before that i messed with adobe audition
DANIEL WORKMAN SR: Is there much difference between Sonar and Cubase?
Ken Boatman: it does indeed "wrap" them
ben_audiocourses: daniel - only in the workflow and aesthetics i'd argue
ben_audiocourses: and they are 'differences' rather than pros and cons
Ken Boatman: i only know Sonar it for a Windows OS only
Ken Boatman: it = is
ben_audiocourses: there's music in the charts from cubase, logic, sonar, ableton
ben_audiocourses: that was created in rather
DANIEL WORKMAN SR: I intend on downloading Cubase soon and then I will compare and see which one I like the best.
ben_audiocourses: i think now all the packages are on an even keel so pick the one that suits your method of working
ben_audiocourses: Pro Tools is obviously useful if you are swapping sessions with commercial studios
ben_audiocourses: but for home recording any of them will do
DANIEL WORKMAN SR: I do plan on getting Pro Tools as well.
ben_audiocourses: I'm not sure if this has been resolved yet,
ben_audiocourses: but in Pro Tools LE versions
ben_audiocourses: i.e. the cheap solutions like digi001,002 etc
ben_audiocourses: there used to be no Plug In delay compensation
ben_audiocourses: which is a real problem if you are mixing ITB (in the box)
ben_audiocourses: for this reason I have never pursued Pro Tools for my home setup
ben_audiocourses: as i mix almost entirely ITB and need PDC
ben_audiocourses: wow, have i managed to bore you all into a comatose state ?
ben_audiocourses:
Ken Boatman: hahahaha
DANIEL WORKMAN SR: Nope just sitting here taking in what you are saying. lol
ben_audiocourses: hehe
ben_audiocourses: yeah i guess the key is to use what you can work best with
DANIEL WORKMAN SR: I'll try several and then stick to the one I like.
ben_audiocourses: sure
ben_audiocourses: why did you choose sonar ken?
Ken Boatman: becuase i run Windows and cannot run Mac. I thought Sonar was the best for me becuase of the "feel" as mixing ease. It also has a great wealth of plugins which can run natively
DANIEL WORKMAN SR: I chose it because it was one of the programs listed as needed for this course and just happened to be the first one I got a hold of.
Ken Boatman: you'll love it. it is really nice
ben_audiocourses: yeah i run windows also ken
ben_audiocourses: i won't go to the 'dark side'
Ken Boatman: hahaha sometimes i think about corssing over
Ken Boatman: crossing
ben_audiocourses: i've got to admit in the last couple of months i've also wavered
ben_audiocourses: but, in the uk at least, the cost difference is BIG
DANIEL WORKMAN SR: I am a Computer Graphics Art Designer and I prefer PC over Mac any day although there are others that would argue that. lol
ben_audiocourses: interesting to hear a graphics bod say that - you'd think from Apple advertising that every graphic designer on the planet is running a mac!
Ken Boatman: things are better since i have a dedicated DAW when i used to share applications, things got very bad
ben_audiocourses: yes, AV and firewall + sequencer causes massive problems
Ken Boatman: yup
DANIEL WORKMAN SR: I guess it is what you enjoy and can do with either one your way that makes the choice on what to use.
ben_audiocourses: i use different partitions in one PC in my home studio
Ken Boatman: that would work well also
DANIEL WORKMAN SR: I was raised on the Windows Platform of a PC and have learned it inside and out. I guess if it had been the other way around it might be different. Although before windows really took hold Mac was a site better.
ben_audiocourses: yeah, i don't have the space for several PCs at home - dedicated DAW is obviously better though
ben_audiocourses: yeah, i think nearly everyone in the western world can operate a windows machine to some level
ben_audiocourses: and if you get used to Win then Mac OS can seem a bit weird - wheres the ^^�%^�^ start menu!!!!
Ken Boatman: LOL
DANIEL WORKMAN SR: You got it. hehe
ben_audiocourses: it's all starting to converge now though - intel chips in macs, able to run win on mac and mac os on pc
David Selonke: Ya, I do internet tech support and when someone calls in with a mac or even linux i get totally lost
ben_audiocourses: i get really frustrated with macs (purely cause i know windows i'm sure) and i just grind to a halt
DANIEL WORKMAN SR: Linux as come a long way.
DANIEL WORKMAN SR: I can use a mac but i feel better on pc
ben_audiocourses: yeah, i haven't tried Vista yet
ben_audiocourses: i hear the system requirements are pretty steep
Ken Boatman: indeed they are
David Selonke: 64bit processor with like at leat a gig of ram
DANIEL WORKMAN SR: Quark is the choice for most creators in media but I prefer CorelDraw and can do just as much and just as good as Quark.
ben_audiocourses: i think i'm going to hold off Vista for a while
David Selonke: ya its mainly for like a media center type of thing
DANIEL WORKMAN SR: I have a dual core processor with 64 bit and 2 gig of ram. It is an AMD processor as they are best for graphics.
David Selonke: i agree...im tottally amd
ben_audiocourses: i've just built a dual core (intel) at work and it flies!
ben_audiocourses: i only use AMD at home mind
David Selonke: AMDs Better! lol
DANIEL WORKMAN SR: Building them yourself is the only way to fly. I haven't bought a computer in ten years. I build what I want.
ben_audiocourses: yeah i like AMD, been using them since the K2 chip
David Selonke: plus if u build them yourself u save a ton of money
DANIEL WORKMAN SR: AMD seems to handle large image files with ease.
ben_audiocourses: yeah i'm a self build man also, as you say cheaper and for DAWs you can really optimise them
DANIEL WORKMAN SR: You sure do.
ben_audiocourses: AMD have traditionally given better floating point calculation performance which is better for plugins such as reverbs
DANIEL WORKMAN SR: I don't like spending extra for things I'll never use. That is why I build mine.
David Selonke: i just love talking to these ppl that say o ya i got a great computer for like big bucks and im like hey my computers better then yours and i got it for half that
DANIEL WORKMAN SR: I enjoy proving to others that my computer is better then their big fancy high dollar computer. lol
ben_audiocourses: yeah some people really get ripped off with pcs
David Selonke: Custom all the way...
ben_audiocourses: tell you what though, take a mac apart and it even looks nice and neat inside - something my PCs never do!
DANIEL WORKMAN SR: I have probably sold more computers and printers and etc. to Best Buy and Circut City customers than their own employees. I have heard some employees of these stores say things that they can't prove or back up and try to sell the customer on bigger and priceier is better.
David Selonke: i will never buy a computer from a store like that...they lie all the time
ben_audiocourses: If you hang around in a high street computer shop for a day you hear more lies than is healthy!
ben_audiocourses: i've heard absolutely ludicrous claims made by salesmen
David Selonke: ya
ben_audiocourses: some of them are literally nonsensical
DANIEL WORKMAN SR: I have stopped and asked customers in those stores while I am shopping questions about what they are wanting and I'll end up selling them something better than the store employees do and it isn't something I build. I should be getting commission from these stores.LOL
ben_audiocourses: hehehe
David Selonke: lol
DANIEL WORKMAN SR: Well, I have learned a long time ago that sales people are taught to lie and tell the customer things that "they" want to hear whether it is right or wrong.
David Selonke: ya
ben_audiocourses: yeah i can't stand the whole concept of salespeople myself but it is obviously a necessary evil i guess
DANIEL WORKMAN SR: I listen to the customer's needs and wants and then build from there. If I end up building the machine it will be the best quality at the cheapest price whether I make a lot of money or not. I usually end up making more as they tell others about me.
ben_audiocourses: yeah honest is valued by most customers
DANIEL WORKMAN SR: I always have repeat business and that is what keeps a company afloat.
ben_audiocourses: sure
ben_audiocourses: i'm listening to this track right now with a really cool bass sound
ben_audiocourses: http://www.myspace.com/tippermusic
DANIEL WORKMAN SR: I tried to be a car salesman once and lasted two weeks. I could not force my self to lie about the value of a car, nor could I run out the door and try to beat a mob of 20 other salesman trying to get to the customer first. If that were to happen to me, I would slam my car in reverse and spin out backwards getting out of there. LOL
ben_audiocourses: haha
DANIEL WORKMAN SR: Listening now
ben_audiocourses: yeah i don't like the hard sell myself - i went to a guitar center in america years back and was jumped on like a vulture
Ken Boatman: which song?
ben_audiocourses: outsideinsideout
ben_audiocourses: it's probably not to your tastes, quite 'warped'
DANIEL WORKMAN SR: I won't deal with hard sales people. I'll just turn around and walk out.
ben_audiocourses: but further into the track there is some really interesting effects and manipulation of the synth
Ken Boatman: i am warped....
ben_audiocourses: haha
DANIEL WORKMAN SR: All musicians are warped in some fashion. LOL
ben_audiocourses: too true!!
ben_audiocourses: especially drummers
ben_audiocourses:
DANIEL WORKMAN SR: Yep and I have been a drummer for years.
ben_audiocourses: haha
DANIEL WORKMAN SR:
Ken Boatman: what do u expect. they beat things with sticks
DANIEL WORKMAN SR: I like anything with a beat and can't sit still when music is playing.
ben_audiocourses: lol
DANIEL WORKMAN SR: Ask Mom, her dinning table back when I was in school is full of drum stick marks. LOL
DANIEL WORKMAN SR: I love to play Wipe Out
ben_audiocourses: haha
ben_audiocourses: i was in a band once that played wipe out
ben_audiocourses: very badly
DANIEL WORKMAN SR: My wife and I line dance and couple dance at a Country Western Dance Club and really enjoy the music
DANIEL WORKMAN SR: We also swing dance and want to learn Ballroom dance
Ken Boatman: nice track. i liked it
DANIEL WORKMAN SR: I enjoyed it
ben_audiocourses: yeah some pretty neat production in that - i like some of that elaborate manioulation
ben_audiocourses: manipulation rather
ben_audiocourses: some great music around right now
DANIEL WORKMAN SR: Your imagination is the only limits since effects and computers came out.
ben_audiocourses: absolutely
ben_audiocourses: you want to check out a minute or so of the track 'ross ross ross' by sebastian
ben_audiocourses: http://www.myspace.com/0sebastian0
ben_audiocourses: it's quite 'hard' sounding but the amount of samples cut up
ben_audiocourses: into little bits
ben_audiocourses: and triggered all over the shop
DANIEL WORKMAN SR: Neat
ben_audiocourses: yeah, lots of work went into that patchwork
ben_audiocourses: obviously not everyones cup of tea
ben_audiocourses: but i admire the production time
Ken Boatman: i like it. makes me want to go dance
ben_audiocourses: haha, yeah it makes me bob around a bit
DANIEL WORKMAN SR: Disco Dance baby LOL
DANIEL WORKMAN SR: Or would that be Techno
ben_audiocourses: strictly speaking that is french house
ben_audiocourses: but we're suckers for genres over in europe
ben_audiocourses:
DANIEL WORKMAN SR: Never heard that one before
ben_audiocourses: there's a whole genre and movement in england called 'glitch'
ben_audiocourses: and it is crazy
ben_audiocourses: it is just tracks made up of little audio glitches
ben_audiocourses: like those nasty digital audio noises that ruin recordings
DANIEL WORKMAN SR: I could see the Black people over hear doing a robotic type dance to that one.
ben_audiocourses: these guys make their own glitches and then make tracks out of it
David Selonke: thats crazy
DANIEL WORKMAN SR: It keeps you hopping
ben_audiocourses: absolutely
ben_audiocourses: innovative stuff though
DANIEL WORKMAN SR: Yep
ben_audiocourses: right we got about 8 minutes left guys
ben_audiocourses: anything that you want to bring up before we wrap up?
Ken Boatman: on to the next lesson?
DANIEL WORKMAN SR: Not that I can think of. I think we pretty much covered it.
ben_audiocourses: ken - yes you should start your second mix
Ken Boatman: thanks everyone. great discussion and tips/tricks
DANIEL WORKMAN SR: See ya Later
ben_audiocourses: yes it's been good fun this week!
ben_audiocourses: everyone ok for same time next week?
DANIEL WORKMAN SR: Yep
Ken Boatman: yes - i'm good
ben_audiocourses: good stuff, it'll be the day after my birthday party so i might have a sore head
David Selonke: lol
DANIEL WORKMAN SR: LOL
Ken Boatman: oh no. HAppy Birthday!
DANIEL WORKMAN SR: So How OLD?
ben_audiocourses: thanks!
DANIEL WORKMAN SR: or Young?
ben_audiocourses: neither, at least in my eyes
DANIEL WORKMAN SR: LOL
Ken Boatman: avoiding the question
ben_audiocourses: old enough to know better, but young enough to do otherwise!
Ken Boatman: lol
DANIEL WORKMAN SR: Smart &*^&"
ben_audiocourses: by the way, if any of you are interested there is some glitch music here - http://www.myspace.com/ryojiikeda
DANIEL WORKMAN SR: Thanks
ben_audiocourses: interesting stuff
David Selonke: lol thanx
ben_audiocourses: anyhow, i'm going to shoot before my age is revealed lol
ben_audiocourses: see you guys next sunday!
David Selonke: cya
Ken Boatman: c u next week
ben_audiocourses: cheers
DANIEL WORKMAN SR: Bye
Ken Boatman has left the conference.
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