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ben_audiocourses: hey daniel!
DANIEL WORKMAN SR: Hi Ben
ben_audiocourses: how's it going? good week?
DANIEL WORKMAN SR: I have to leave at 1pm today. It has been a great week!
ben_audiocourses: good stuff - sounds like you've been busy with the engines and stuff!
ben_audiocourses: hi ken!
Ken Boatman: spunds like fun
DANIEL WORKMAN SR: I spent Wed thru Sat in Wausau, Wisconsin for Caterpillar.
Ken Boatman: Hi Ben.... Welcome back!
ben_audiocourses: thank you
DANIEL WORKMAN SR: Hi Ken
Ken Boatman: Hey Daniel!
DANIEL WORKMAN SR: Yea
DANIEL WORKMAN SR: How ya doing
Ken Boatman: Busy! I am demolishing my den
DANIEL WORKMAN SR: Sounds like fun
Ken Boatman: i love sledge hammers
DANIEL WORKMAN SR: Me too!
DANIEL WORKMAN SR: I have always loved to demolish things. lol
Ken Boatman: its more fun than building
DANIEL WORKMAN SR: You bet
DANIEL WORKMAN SR: So Ben how was your week?
Ken Boatman: Ben, Where did you go? (if you dont mind me asking)
ben_audiocourses: i was in Dublin in Ireland
ben_audiocourses: the republic of ireland, not northern ireland
Ken Boatman: nice!
DANIEL WORKMAN SR: Beautiful place.
ben_audiocourses: yeah it was ok - guiness was obviously very nice there!
Ken Boatman: ive gotta go one day.
DANIEL WORKMAN SR: You betcha
ben_audiocourses: it's good - to be honest we were a little disappointed with it though
ben_audiocourses: i think it has changed massively in the last 10 years
ben_audiocourses: some of the irish we spoke to seemed to agree
Ken Boatman: hmmm
ben_audiocourses: did you go a while back daniel?
DANIEL WORKMAN SR: Never been to Ireland. Been to Holland, France, Spain and England though as well as Germany and Austria
ben_audiocourses: to be honest Dublin was very very much like North London
Ken Boatman: Ive been to Ohio, North Carolina, South Carolina, Georgia (hahahahaha)
DANIEL WORKMAN SR: I've seen lots of photos from there and have pen pals over there who send photos back.
ben_audiocourses: hahah
DANIEL WORKMAN SR: Only reason I have been to all them places was because I was stationed in Germany back in the 70's with the Army.
ben_audiocourses: good way to see the world i guess!
DANIEL WORKMAN SR: Yep
ben_audiocourses: don't suppose either of you guys have heard from david this week?
Ken Boatman: no - i havent
DANIEL WORKMAN SR: Got to see the running of the Bulls in Barcelona, Spain (No I didn't participate LOL) and got to see an real bull fight.
ben_audiocourses: i haven't receieved his work for this week and no sigh of him online
DANIEL WORKMAN SR: Nope
ben_audiocourses: hmm, hope he is ok
DANIEL WORKMAN SR: I saw him on Yahoo messenger a couple of times this week but he wasn't on long either time.
ben_audiocourses: oh well, i'm sure he'll surface in the near future
ben_audiocourses: well if we only have you for an hour daniel
ben_audiocourses: i'm presuming 13:00 is 20:00GMT?
DANIEL WORKMAN SR: So did you have a onference in Dublin or just vacation?
DANIEL WORKMAN SR: I beleive so
ben_audiocourses: it was a belated birthday present from my girlfriend
ben_audiocourses: so just a couple of days
DANIEL WORKMAN SR: It is half way through our chat time.
Ken Boatman: nice present indeed! I always get underwear
ben_audiocourses: it'd be hard to work over there with that many pubs
ben_audiocourses: haha - underwear!
ben_audiocourses: in england it is always a joke that you get socks
Ken Boatman: yeah - here too]
DANIEL WORKMAN SR: I thought it was ties?
Ken Boatman: thats for fathers day
DANIEL WORKMAN SR: Oh, OK
Ken Boatman: birthdays are underwear and socks
ben_audiocourses: it might have been a while back, but we're a country in decline
ben_audiocourses: anyhow i thought it'd be good to have a listen to that track you posted me daniel
ben_audiocourses: see what ken thinks
Ken Boatman: sure
ben_audiocourses: and david/chris if they show up
DANIEL WORKMAN SR: OK
ben_audiocourses: i had a listen before i went away and she sure has a good voice!
DANIEL WORKMAN SR: It is only a guitar and vocal though. We haven't put in other instruments to them yet.
ben_audiocourses: would you suggest track 11 daniel?
DANIEL WORKMAN SR: Yea
ben_audiocourses: ok
ben_audiocourses: http://www.audiocourses.com/part3/upload/Dan%20Workman/11%20Track%2011.mp3
DANIEL WORKMAN SR: Now his daughter is only 13 years old
ben_audiocourses: 13 when she recorded this right?
Ken Boatman: Daniel - this is the same one your shared with me earlier?
DANIEL WORKMAN SR: Yes and Yes
ben_audiocourses: ah sorry if we are duplicating here!
Ken Boatman: no - i like it
ben_audiocourses: did you record the acoustic guitar yourself dan?
DANIEL WORKMAN SR: The only thing I did to this one (Track 11) was add a little reverb and compression
DANIEL WORKMAN SR: Yes
ben_audiocourses: do you know what mic, how you positioned it etc?
Ken Boatman: if i remember correctly - everything was recorded with a SM57, right?
DANIEL WORKMAN SR: We had a copy of the track of her voice and her dad played it and added his guitar and voice.
DANIEL WORKMAN SR: I used a Shure 57 and placed it on a mike stand just about level with the guitar.
ben_audiocourses: and was the voc a 57 also, or a capacitor mic?
DANIEL WORKMAN SR: Used a SM57 for vocal as well. I don't know what they used to record her though
ben_audiocourses: it always amazes me how well Shure dynamics sound
DANIEL WORKMAN SR: She is 24 years old now and sounds even better (Lots better)
ben_audiocourses: they sound a lot better than many cheaper (supposedly) capacitor mics
Ken Boatman: yes they do and they are work-horses
ben_audiocourses: absolutely!
DANIEL WORKMAN SR: I didn't really know what I was doing for sure but just set everything to where I thought it sounded good.
Ken Boatman: you did very well
ben_audiocourses: thats the best way, use your ears!
ben_audiocourses: i really like his vocal sound
DANIEL WORKMAN SR: Thank you guys. Maybe I will get this stuff down after all
ben_audiocourses: they both sound like they have great voices to begin with
Ken Boatman: yes, indeed
ben_audiocourses: so it is nice to work with good material
DANIEL WORKMAN SR: He really has a country twang to his voice.
ben_audiocourses: rather than 'turd polishing' as we often call it
ben_audiocourses: yes, lovely country inflections
DANIEL WORKMAN SR: We did 13 song that summer. I can email you the rest.
ben_audiocourses: whack them up on the FTP if you want dan
DANIEL WORKMAN SR: He can take just about anything and turn it into a song. His daughter was on American Idol several years ago.
Ken Boatman: really? wow
DANIEL WORKMAN SR: I don't remember what year it was.
DANIEL WORKMAN SR: She is still singing with him.
ben_audiocourses: they have a website or anything?
DANIEL WORKMAN SR: They took the music from House of the Rising Sun and replaced them with Amazing Grace and calls it "The House of Amazing Grace" When I get that one recorded I'll send it to you.
ben_audiocourses: amazing grace is such an awesome song when arranged properly
DANIEL WORKMAN SR: No but I am trying to talk him into it. If you give me your address I'll snail mail you a disk of his 13 we have now.
DANIEL WORKMAN SR: Have you listened to the only about 911?
ben_audiocourses: sure, i'll email you it in a second - thank you that'd be great
DANIEL WORKMAN SR: It might become a hit if it was ever introduced into society
ben_audiocourses: which track # was that?
DANIEL WORKMAN SR: No 10 I believe
ben_audiocourses: 10?
ben_audiocourses: ok listening to it now
ben_audiocourses: oh have you got the link ken?
DANIEL WORKMAN SR: He was sitting in a D11 dozer one day at work. It was sitting on blocks so that the tracks could run and all he had to do was keep it floored off and on for 8 years. While he was there he made up a song about doing that. I'll have to have him write down the words and I'll share them with you. It was pretty funny
ben_audiocourses: sorry
DANIEL WORKMAN SR: Ben I uploaded it to my folder Dan Workman on the ftp site.
DANIEL WORKMAN SR: Days I mean
ben_audiocourses: http://www.audiocourses.com/part3/upload/Dan%20Workman/10%20Track%2010.mp3
ben_audiocourses: link for ken
Ken Boatman: I replace the 11 with the 10 from the prior track and found it
ben_audiocourses: haha - we have a sleuth in our midst!
Ken Boatman: lol
ben_audiocourses: i do like that guys voice
DANIEL WORKMAN SR: I'll tell him that. I could sit and listen to him sing for hours. He gets together with other blugrass guys and plays with them as well.
Ken Boatman: Hey Chris!
DANIEL WORKMAN SR: I think him and I are going to get together this summer and do some singing together. I use to sing in a country/country gospel band. I also use to play the drums and conga's and am now learining the bass guitar
DANIEL WORKMAN SR: That song really has a message dosen't it?
Ken Boatman: yes, it sure does
ben_audiocourses: yeah, i guess even more so for you guys
ben_audiocourses: as americans i mean
Ken Boatman: yeah
ben_audiocourses: has there been much music that focuses on 9/11 in the states?
DANIEL WORKMAN SR: Him and his daughter was on the way to his house from her college in southern Illinois and while enroute they saw a guy standing on the street corner holding a signa saying I'll work for food. He made a remark and she said "dad, what if that had been Jesus"? guess what he made up a song called "What if That Had been Jesus" It is really neat.
DANIEL WORKMAN SR: A few mainly from the Country Artists. Toby Keith is the main one I believe.
Ken Boatman: there has been some, but that is fading quite a bit. There was quite a bit of those type songs for about 1 - 2 years
DANIEL WORKMAN SR: Only a few have lasted though
ben_audiocourses: anyhow i digress
ben_audiocourses: !
Ken Boatman: there are more songs now just about being an american and patriotism (bespite all the arguing)
ben_audiocourses: as we are running out of time with dan, i'd like to just briefly recap one of the questions that you had this week dan, and hopefully this will be of some interest to ken also
DANIEL WORKMAN SR: Yea and some (like the initals DC that like to put them down.)
DANIEL WORKMAN SR: OK
ben_audiocourses: haha - i take it you mean dixie chicks
ben_audiocourses: we heard about that over here
DANIEL WORKMAN SR: You betcha ya
Ken Boatman: sure - whats the question
ben_audiocourses: ok, i just wanted to have a quick overview of it really
ben_audiocourses: the wonderful world of the Nyquist Theorem
DANIEL WORKMAN SR: OK
ben_audiocourses: you heard of this ken?
Ken Boatman: isnt that something u take when u have cold?
Ken Boatman:
DANIEL WORKMAN SR: Thats Nyquil
ben_audiocourses: ha - i guess thats an american product!
ben_audiocourses: we take strepsils or something
DANIEL WORKMAN SR: 10 percent Alcohol
Ken Boatman: sorry - no - i have not heard of it
ben_audiocourses: ok, well basically we are in the realm of digital audio here
DANIEL WORKMAN SR: Hot totty
ben_audiocourses: daniel, in your answer you quite rightly pointed out the 'aliasing' problem that can occur with the wrong sampling rate
DANIEL WORKMAN SR: Took me a while to find any good info on that one.
ben_audiocourses: it can be tricky, but again it is deceptively simple once you get your head around it
DANIEL WORKMAN SR: I am still try to grasp it all
Ken Boatman: sounds like digital aliasing
ben_audiocourses: ok basically digital audio usually has 2 parameters - sample rate and bit depth
ben_audiocourses: bit depth determines the maximum dynamic range we can capture
ben_audiocourses: nyquist instead refers to sample rate
ben_audiocourses: i.e. the number of times per second that the sound is 'sampled'
ben_audiocourses: so CD audio is 44.1kHz
ben_audiocourses: meaning that there are 44,100 samples per second taken of the audio
ben_audiocourses: now the reason that we are using 44.1kHz is down to mr nyquist
Ken Boatman: here seems to be a good link with pictures - http://euphoria.org/home/help/nyquist.html
ben_audiocourses: yes that kind of outlines the aliasing part
ben_audiocourses: however the other implication is that the nyquist rate should be at least twice the highest frequency that we expect to reproduce
ben_audiocourses: it is accepted that all types of waveformcan be created from simple (sine) waves
ben_audiocourses: and only 2 points need to be defined for the sine to be recreated accurately
ben_audiocourses: so if the human ear has a hearing range of 20Hz-20kHz
ben_audiocourses: then the highest sound we'd need to reproduce would be 20kHz
ben_audiocourses: so using the Nyquist theorem we'd have to use a sample rate of 40kHz
ben_audiocourses: does that make sense?
Ken Boatman: yes
DANIEL WORKMAN SR: Yes
ben_audiocourses: good, we actually use 44.1 as it allows a bit of 'room' for digital filters to do their work
ben_audiocourses: as for the aliasing, are you clear as to how that occurs and what it sounds like?
Ken Boatman: so - it is overkill for people who record at 96kHx
DANIEL WORKMAN SR: Is there any audible examples of this
Ken Boatman: ?
ben_audiocourses: ok, to tackle on at a time - daniel, i'll try to dig some out and send them to you
ben_audiocourses: ken, i'll come to this in a sec
DANIEL WORKMAN SR: OK
ben_audiocourses: just to help you imagine this though dan
ben_audiocourses: have you watched TV when there is a wheel on a car
DANIEL WORKMAN SR: Yes
ben_audiocourses: and the car gets to a certain speed and the hubcap appears to go backwards
ben_audiocourses: rather than forwards
DANIEL WORKMAN SR: Yea, I see it in real life as well
ben_audiocourses: ok, well this is basically a simliar occurence
ben_audiocourses: with TV being 25fps (in the UK, i think 24 in USA)
ben_audiocourses: when the wheel goes above a certain speed
ben_audiocourses: there are not enough frames per second
ben_audiocourses: so what the frames capture gives the impression that the wheel is instead moving backwards
Ken Boatman: good example!
DANIEL WORKMAN SR: I see
ben_audiocourses: obviously the wheel is not moving backwards, it is just that there are insufficent frames to capture
ben_audiocourses: so to apply to audio
ben_audiocourses: if we try to capture sounds that are above the nyquist rate of the audio
ben_audiocourses: then they can be misconstrued as the wrong frequency
ben_audiocourses: i.e. high freqs are actually reconstructed as low freqs
ben_audiocourses: here is an example of the 'wagon wheel' effect on a clock - http://burtonmackenzie.blogspot.com/2006/07/i-cant-drive-55.html
ben_audiocourses: i'll try to dig out some audible examples for you dan as well
ben_audiocourses: onto your question ken
ben_audiocourses: the sample rate over 44.1kHz debate has cause huge debate
ben_audiocourses: caused
ben_audiocourses: in the audio world
ben_audiocourses: many people suggest that frequencies above our hearing range (20kHz) still excite the ear/brain
ben_audiocourses: and these excitations give the feeling of a higher quality signal
ben_audiocourses: obviously DVD is at 96kHz
ben_audiocourses: which means that technically it can reproduce frequenices upto 48kHz
ben_audiocourses: which is another octave above what we can hear (doubling of freq=octave higher)
ben_audiocourses: i'd suggest to hear the benefit of higher sample rates you would near top end equipment and a room acoustically treated
ben_audiocourses: and ears in excellent condition!
Ken Boatman: hahaha
DANIEL WORKMAN SR: Hey guys, I have to run, but I will leave this screen up and running so that I can capture all of this and print it. I'll see you two next sunday
Ken Boatman: take care, Dan
ben_audiocourses: hey dan, have a good week - remember workshops are posted in our forums
DANIEL WORKMAN SR: Email me your addy and I'll send you a dis k Ben.
ben_audiocourses: ok, will do that in the background now
DANIEL WORKMAN SR: Yep
ben_audiocourses: ok ken, is your new mix on the FTP?
Ken Boatman: no - i sent you a link to it so your email would not get clogged up
Ken Boatman: here is the link- http://kenboatman.com/uploads/AudioCourses/Call%20On%20Me%20-%20Ken%20Mix%202.mp3
ben_audiocourses: ah no, i was just seeing cause i might try to get chris in to check it out
ben_audiocourses: ok, let's see if i can get chris involved
ben_audiocourses: 2 secs
Ken Boatman: sure
ben_audiocourses: did you get an invite to a new room ken?
Ken Boatman: yes
ben_audiocourses: ok
ben_audiocourses: right we're all here!
Me bisto: evening
Ken Boatman: hi!
ben_audiocourses: http://burtonmackenzie.blogspot.com/2006/07/i-cant-drive-55.html
ben_audiocourses: oops, still that link!
ben_audiocourses: sorry should be:
ben_audiocourses: http://kenboatman.com/uploads/AudioCourses/Call%20On%20Me%20-%20Ken%20Mix%202.mp3
ben_audiocourses: this is kens amended mix for this week chris
Me bisto: ooo big kit
Ken Boatman: hahaha - yeah - u should have heard it on mix 1
ben_audiocourses: you'll probably kill me for saying this ken
ben_audiocourses: ...
Ken Boatman: shhot
ben_audiocourses: but i reckon the kick could come up just a dB or so in this mix
Ken Boatman: shoot
Ken Boatman: OH NO!
ben_audiocourses: haha
Ken Boatman: hahaha
Me bisto: That's a lot of snare space.... makes me wanna dig a hole, or work on the chain gang
Ken Boatman: chris - youre killing me
Me bisto: ha
Me bisto: solo coming up
Me bisto: here she is
ben_audiocourses: this is definitely a better mix than the previous one though ken
Ken Boatman: thanks ben. improvement is always nice, huh?
ben_audiocourses: absolutely!
Me bisto: Yeah not bad, those strings..
ben_audiocourses: and as the saying goes, a mix is never finished, it is just abandoned!
Ken Boatman: i had to carve them a bit
Me bisto: and some vocal strobing?
Ken Boatman: that was in the orig material
Me bisto: fast tremolo or something?
Ken Boatman: it was not my creation
Ken Boatman: odd for a country song. eh?
Me bisto: Gonna listen again
ben_audiocourses: yeah i didn't like that effect myself
ben_audiocourses: as you know
ben_audiocourses: but strange of waves to include it for the style of song
Ken Boatman: i should have slip edited those parts
Me bisto: That's definately Def Leppard drumming.. woo hoo..
Ken Boatman: hahaha
ben_audiocourses: so you carved a few freqs out on the strings? around 800-1.5kHz or thereabouts?
Me bisto: Not bad though, distinctive (which is good)
Ken Boatman: cant remember, bu DAW is down right now, but I foudn the main vocal freq and lowered them for the strings
ben_audiocourses: good work, you really created a pocket for the vocal on top of those strings
ben_audiocourses: which in the previous mix were standing on the vocals toes a bit
Ken Boatman: yeah - the strings sounded full while soloed, but after eq, they sound more _hi end"
Ken Boatman: i used 2 LN1176 compressors on series for the solo guitar
ben_audiocourses: ooh, serial compression!
Ken Boatman: on = in
Me bisto: I liked the way the guitar lifts..
Ken Boatman: 1 - 3 db compression per compressor
Ken Boatman: oh well - that was my mix. i tried to stay away from the book
ben_audiocourses: i was only reading some mix engineers theory of serial compression the other day
ben_audiocourses: its a good mix ken
Ken Boatman: rockin' country
Ken Boatman: hahahaha
ben_audiocourses: do you ever find yourself listening to it and going - oh i' have played a different lick there?
Me bisto: So you learnt some new tricks on that one Ken?
Ken Boatman: well - i used old tricks on it
Ken Boatman: ben - not sure of your question
ben_audiocourses: haha - no just wondering if as a pro muso you listen to it and think 'i'd have played that differently myself'
Ken Boatman: yes, of course
Ken Boatman: it is simple and repetative (for my taste) but it fills the solo and gives the song its taste for that part of the song
ben_audiocourses: are you more of a 'rocker'?
Ken Boatman: yeh - i think so
Ken Boatman: i gues you could tell that with my drum mix, eh?
ben_audiocourses: chris isn't adverse to thrashing out a few rock licks either are you chris?
ben_audiocourses: hehe
Me bisto: I love getting my foot up there on the monitor, and raising hell
ben_audiocourses: haha
Ken Boatman: hahahaha
ben_audiocourses: i've seen it and it isn't pretty!
Ken Boatman: oh my!
ben_audiocourses:
Me bisto:
ben_audiocourses: lol
ben_audiocourses: so what is the genre for next weeks mix ken?
Ken Boatman: Rock/Punk - Watch out now!
ben_audiocourses: haha
Me bisto: oooo
ben_audiocourses: i think i know that track actually
Me bisto: Now you're talking Ken
ben_audiocourses: if i remember correctly they sample replaced the kick and snare tracks on that one
Ken Boatman: its a good track. i listened to it on the web
ben_audiocourses: to get that blink 182 feel
Ken Boatman: yes - i agrree
ben_audiocourses: drum replacement is used all over the place these days
ben_audiocourses: especially in hard rock and metal stuff
Ken Boatman: yeah - i use it a lot too
ben_audiocourses: hehe
ben_audiocourses: it is a great tool i think
Ken Boatman: it offers many possibilities
Ken Boatman: i dont like thew cymbals though
ben_audiocourses: exactly - obviously you probably wouldn't want to use it on an intimate recording of a jazz 3 piece
ben_audiocourses: what cymbals?
Ken Boatman: kick - toms and snare are great
Ken Boatman: replacing cymbals
ben_audiocourses: ah ok
Ken Boatman: they sound dry to me
ben_audiocourses: last week we had a drummer in to play Roland V-Drums
ben_audiocourses: the onboard sounds are ok but you can tell they are not real
Ken Boatman: those are fun
ben_audiocourses: however hook it upto something like BFD
ben_audiocourses: and suddenly it sounds REALLY good
Ken Boatman: BFD is great!! I like it a lot. They just recently produced a drumagog version to work with BFD
ben_audiocourses: yeah i saw the drumagog compatible upgrade
ben_audiocourses: i think that we're really not far from e-drums being used instead of real drums in a lot of situations now - the sample libraries are getting pretty good
ben_audiocourses: obviously real drums are always better for some genres/situations
Ken Boatman: true.
ben_audiocourses: equally i've seen drummers playing V-drums but replacing the cymbals with real ones
ben_audiocourses: and mic-ing them up
ben_audiocourses: this shines through on hats most i feel
Ken Boatman: ive seen that a lot more than pure v-drum kits
ben_audiocourses: yeah, it seems a good compromise
ben_audiocourses: obviously nothing beats a excellent kit in an excellent room with excellent mics though!
Me bisto: here here
Me bisto: or is it hear hear?
ben_audiocourses: i think hear x 2
Ken Boatman: for use home studio guys - that is impossible
ben_audiocourses: actually i don't know
ben_audiocourses: exactly ken - i've actually thought about getting a cheap set of triggers for home use to run into something like BFD
Ken Boatman: for that - i agree. But geting pure drum solution is tough (especially due to room)
Me bisto: One good approach is to rent a space, just when you need it, for that killer drum sound. This of course assumes your gear is portable.
Ken Boatman: or rent a studio for drum tracking and taking it back to the home studio
Me bisto: I'm also seeing more and more session drummers offering their services by way the internet.
Ken Boatman: that would be sweet
ben_audiocourses: yeah i've seen a lot of these online drummers
ben_audiocourses: really good idea
Me bisto: Recieving the sessions files (well just 4 or 5 stereo stems) and then recording their multiple mics..
Ken Boatman: so you give them a click track?
Me bisto: either..
ben_audiocourses: a click or your rough drums and the rest of the session file also
Me bisto: music stems and/or click with it
Me bisto: IN fact..
Ken Boatman: hmmm
ben_audiocourses: someguys can probably work with just a click and a mp3 of the rest of the track
Me bisto: an ex student Mike ) Hara, who did the same course as you are doing did this very thing for one of his tasks.
Ken Boatman: true. just enuff to get n the headphones\
Me bisto: He is from kent, and pumped the files over to USA to his drummer friend.
Ken Boatman: that is a good option for sure. the possibilities are endless
ben_audiocourses: i've used some of these online collaboration tools before for recording vocalists - digital musician plugin for instance
Me bisto: http://www.audiocourses.com/blog/2005/05/rocking-country-in-kent-uk.html
Ken Boatman: excellent - i'll give it a listen
Me bisto: Ben.. how is that? Digital Musician I mean
ben_audiocourses: well to be honest it can be a bit fiddly
ben_audiocourses: but when you get it working it is a good solution if you do not have a point-to-point option such as ISDN (which is masively expensive for home users)
ben_audiocourses: http://www.digitalmusician.net/
Ken Boatman: I'm listening to Mike's mix of the same song
ben_audiocourses: i don't think we've tried the newest version yet though
Ken Boatman: not enough drums! hahahahaha
ben_audiocourses: lol
Ken Boatman: just kidding...
ben_audiocourses: can certainly hear the difference a mix makes though
Ken Boatman: oh yeah! His has the vocal trem effect as well
ben_audiocourses: grrr haha
Ken Boatman:
Me bisto:
ben_audiocourses: i think your mix is much 'bigger'
Ken Boatman: well - i used the course tracks
Ken Boatman: they are soo much fun to work with
ben_audiocourses: also the reverb used gives a different impression of space
ben_audiocourses: they certainly are - great quality recordings on the whole
Ken Boatman: yeah - i suppose the Waves reverb is good, but I like the UAD plate 140
Me bisto: I don't actually like the drum sound on this Mike mix, to be honest.
Me bisto: But I admire the process he went through.
Ken Boatman: of course. that probably was a lot fo work
Ken Boatman: especially only given 1 week
Me bisto: I recall at the time thinking it was probably a drummer into heavy music..
Me bisto: Those skins are loose, for that wet splat sound
ben_audiocourses: 'splat'
Ken Boatman: i mix kinda loud. i suppose thats why the drums like they do
Ken Boatman: i have heard you should mix at 70 - 80 db
ben_audiocourses: there is an optimal volume yes
ben_audiocourses: physiologically speaking
ben_audiocourses: to achieve as near equal loudness as possible
Ken Boatman: i mix considerable louder than that
ben_audiocourses: haha
Ken Boatman: oh no! i probabl;y shoudnt have said that
ben_audiocourses: i was reading that dr dre only mixes at one level and it was something ludicrous like 120dBSPL
ben_audiocourses: needs new speaker drivers quite regularly i'd imagine
Ken Boatman: holy cow! his neaghbors probably hate him
ben_audiocourses: and his ears probably hate him!
ben_audiocourses: you might find this interesting ken
ben_audiocourses: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equal-loudness_contour
Me bisto: lol
ben_audiocourses: how the ear reacts differently at different dBSPL
ben_audiocourses: and here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fletcher-Munson_curves
Ken Boatman: interesting stuff
Me bisto: very actually...
ben_audiocourses: absolutely
Ken Boatman: for next weeks song - i would like to not even crack the course book
Me bisto: the very reason a "loudness" button exists on some hi-fi
Me bisto: as in it compensates for the ear's limitations at low listening levels.
Ken Boatman: the waves materials boosts these ranges with the linear EQ
Ken Boatman: 100 Hx and 4kHz
ben_audiocourses: thats pretty much 'bass' and 'presence' frequencies to speak generically
ben_audiocourses: oh, it is almost 20:00GMT
ben_audiocourses: time has flown this week!
Ken Boatman: yeah - it has
Ken Boatman: time this week is abbreviated for me so It may be late in week b4 i can get u first mix
ben_audiocourses: no problem ken
Ken Boatman: have a great week (Ben and Chris)
ben_audiocourses: you too ken - look forward to your pop-punk extravaganza!
ben_audiocourses:
Me bisto: Thanks Ken, you too
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