Rmuse
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I am wondering if there is a way to process a track with an AudioSuite plug-in and keep a copy of the original track. I was not aware that this type of plug-in actually 'processed' audio and replaced the original. Very disappointing  This doesn't happen with my usual recorder. Is it to free up room/processing power/RAM for the RTAS plug-ins? Just 'not' very brilliant, and the reason for having such a thing (except for what I mentioned) escapes me. Yes, I do know that Digidesign (or whomever) wouldn't make such a protocol just to agrivate me. Although at times, I start thinking that is exactly their strategy  If I understood the mindset, I could stop defaming Pro Tools...couldn't I? Everytime I start thinking that PT is really awesome something reveals itself to contradict its awesomeness. Damnit!! It was a good track too.
Thanks for any assistance.
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conquistadore
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Hey Ron
Thats odd. As far as I know Pro Tools processes files non-destructively. I think its a preference setting - can't tell you straight out which one. I'll get home, fire up Pro Tools and let you know.
I can't believe it - two and a half months of not working on Pro Tools and I've already forgotten major chunks of it!
What I usually did was duplicate the playlist on the track and then process the regions and then deactivate the plugins - thereby making it easy to switch to the unprocessed regions easy. |
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Rmuse
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Hey Varun,
How have you been? I am going to go and try duplicating the tracks before processing. My preferences may be set wrong or I am not the sharpest knife in the drawer (it's the latter for sure). It is possible the tracks I "lost" are somewhere after all.
I have actually recorded a track or two onto Pro Tools, and assignments from Chris and Ben are forcing me to use PT and although frustration is the order of the session, I am beginning to appreciate just how powerful a tool PT and any DAW really are. Certainly more to offer than the 2" machine ever could.
Are things going well for you these days? I imagine that you are doing magic in the studio. What I wouldn't give to observe you working. Invaluable.
Take care Varun and thanks for your help.
cheers
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Sun May 04, 2008 3:20 am |
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conquistadore
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Hey Ron
I'm doing okay. I've just been caught up with the studios - opening in 15 days so a lot of loose ends to tie up in addition to normal audio work!
I strongly feel that your original unprocessed files are still in your session - you just have to find them. As you might know, every new region created is stored under the region list unless manually removed/deleted by the user. So if you look through (the list to the right of your edit window) you should be able to find your unprocessed region.
Cheers
Varun
P.S - The list also has a neat search feature under its menu - just in case its one of those crazy sessions involving hundreds of regions! |
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Rmuse
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Oh thanks Varun,
The files are indeed still there. I failed to remember that everytime I do something in PT, it is put in that region area. I will, though, in the future just duplicate the track so I KNOW where it is until I am finished processing it. The first thing I checked was whether I was using the 'Destruct' mode and that wasn't the case. So I figured the particular track remained.
AudioSuite plug-ins are different than effects on my regular machine. I can see the wisdom of RTAS plugs, but not otherwise. So much to learn in Pro Tools. It is fun though, and as with any 'new' thing, I take a bit longer than regular folks to learn the ins and outs. I wish PT had a real instruction manual like Roland has. Everything is covered. My PT has never had the documentation it should. When I ask the Digidesign people, they say they'll get it to me. I am still waiting 13 months later. If I need any info, I have to go to their site. Not the most supportive group unless they are selling an update or new software. They may be the best sequencing programme, but their support sucks.
Thanks for all your help
cheers Varun!
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wailingalleycat
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hey Ron,
there is a range of official 'courseware' books for pro tools. starting with ProTools 101.
would be worth your while to check out something like this. im still learning new things about pro tools every time i use it and ive been using it for years. be a good head start to do some reading.
and the idea of audiosuite is purely to free up power for plugins and also for things like reversing which obviously cant be done with a plugin. you'd probably be surprised how useful reversing a region can be once u get into serious editing.
P.s. yes i have to agree digidesign are pretty hopeless, still waiting for a leopard release of LE! |
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Sun May 04, 2008 11:43 pm |
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Rmuse
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Hi Paul,
I have had the ProTools 101 Official Courseware for a couple of weeks now and it is very helpful at many levels. It is somewhat lacking, though, in that when I want a bit more of a certain subject it refers to the next course.
I had considered actually doing some official Pro Tools training after I finish the AC courses. It is quite expensive though and it makes me wonder if just using Pro Tools a whole bunch will eventually expose me to some of the features. What do you think?
I have a few different books about Pro Tools and although they are not official official Digidesign books, offer some really good information. One in particular takes you through a project or two with files online to be worked with, and even offers some plug-ins to use on the projects. The most helpful is
Pro Tools For Musicians and Songwriters
by Gina Fant-Saez. I think she also runs a web-based site for getting drummers, bassists etc to play on tracks to use in original music. I have heard they have good (and well-known) players to record parts for songs. I will find the links later and post them for you.
To be honest, I have received more help right here on the forums from you and Varun. Even on my Roland stand alone recorder, I still use it like a tape recorder. Only taking the RT course has made me try editing with Pro Tools and it's the first time I've copied, duplicated, cut etc audio. It was just last week or so that I discovered automation! The VS 2000 has automation, but it also has faders, buttons and knobs that I was using.
A while back when you put the song 'Home' for us to listen to and you told me what 'pocketing' involved, I couldn't comprehend the process until I did some reading and looked at the waveforms. When I record tracks on my VS, I play all the way through and it is right or do another take. I am so old-school it has been a bloody struggle moving into the 21st century. So much to learn and my time's running out.
I did get a hardware compressor two weeks ago after much contemplation. It wasn't my first and certainly won't be the last one I get. It is very cool. I already had a dbx 160, and software LA2A & 1176 for my VS. The new one is an Empirical Labs Distressor EL8X. Besides being a comp, it adds (if desired) 2nd and 3rd order harmonics. Quite nice and it emulates many older units as well.
Do you know the Chandler Limited Germanium Comp? I am seriously looking at that model for late June. I also would like your input on a Vintech X73 mic-pre. I saw one at AES and no-one could tell it apart from a real 1073. It certainly is nice and I need a good solid-state unit. I value your, Varun, and Ben's expertise because you lads are the experts.
Thank you so much for all the help you've given me. It is priceless and very much appreciated. Just don't see many folks sharing so freely what has taken you so long to learn. Only on AC forums.
Cheers
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Mon May 05, 2008 6:26 pm |
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conquistadore
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Hey Ron
What about the Pro Tools manual itself? It does need the reader to have some basic audio knowledge, but I did find it quite comprehensive when I started working on Pro Tools. If you really want to get up to speed with PT and learn a couple of tricks, do check out
The DUC
(Digidesign User Conference).
And you got a Distressor? WOW!  Party time! |
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Wed May 07, 2008 3:28 pm |
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Rmuse
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Hey Varun,
You know, I never did get any manual with Pro Tools. I have begged the Digidesign folks for the download and haven't got it. It is in the pull down menu under the help, but the PDF stuff never was included with my package. When I updated to 7.4 it was still neglected.
I will definitely check out the DUC right now. I can operate PT, but if I need to check for procedures, instructions etc, I use one of the books already in my library or ask for help here on the forums. But DUC is sounding very cool. Speaking of very cool, yes, the Distressor is awesome. Acts like an 1176 if I want, or an LA2A, 3A. 4A or any other if necessary. Hard to even tell it is doing anything if set correctly. Very f*&# cool piece of kit. I may get another and a Germanium Comp. I worked very hard this year and have some cash to invest. I am lucky my wife is so supportive. I hear that some lads must get approval for procurements. I just have to save some cash.
Have you used a Distressor Varun? Only heard good things from users and the machine itself. It is party time! 
Thanks Varun
cheers
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