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What's your thoughts?
Let's get this ball rolling.
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Mon Jan 12, 2004 10:06 pm |
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wailingalleycat
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it could make a good advertising jobby if you say limited the downloads to 50,000 just to get people interested and only alone one song to be downloaded off the album so if people like it they can go and buy it.
Or just let them download part of the song, like a trailer for a film.
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Tue Feb 24, 2004 6:01 pm |
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julesf
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The Internet is breeding a class of people who think that they should get and deserve everything for nothing. A company writes a brilliant sequencer, takes them say 10 years to develop and get right, they launch there latest version hoping to attract good sales for their hard work. Someone gets hold of a copy, hacks out the dongle code and hosts the software on the Internet for all to download and use free of charge  What gives them the right!
<p> The same applies to music. Anyone on this site probably knows how long it takes to produce good music let alone the cost of the project studio to record the tracks, which is relatively cheap now days but still a great deal of money to most of us. The artist has great skills and their music is part of their whole being, but they cant earn a living from what they do, they have to give their product away for nothing or someone else steals their work and hosts it on the net for free.  Their are so many people out their that will happily pay
£5.00 per day
to smoke themselves to death but they wont pay £10.99 for a proffessionaly produced and packaged CD, or say £5.00 to buy a CD and support an up and coming local artist. 
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I say the public should pay reasonably for a good quality product and individuals in the industry, or hoping to get into the industry should be payed properly for their hard work. <p>
If an artist wishes to stream or download a track or part of a track for promotional purposes then that's their call, but it should be up to the individual. not a third party who thinks they have the right!<p>
Nuff said, I'll get off me soap box now. 
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Fri Feb 27, 2004 8:56 pm |
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Will.W
Joined: 03 Oct 2002
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Hi,
The music industry has beenn ripping off artists and consumers for years.
It was only a matter of time before the tables turned!
As for software would you really pay £300-£500 for a piece of software without trying it out-I DONT THINK SO?! A demo version doesn't allow full use of software so the only way to check it out properly is by 'trying' a crack.
How many people do you know who use cracked software and earn a living from it? None I guess?!
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Sun Feb 29, 2004 5:31 pm |
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julesf
Joined: 31 Aug 2003
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Hello.
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The music industry has beenn ripping off artists and consumers for years.
It was only a matter of time before the tables turned!
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I agree that the music industry has not, shall we say, behaved in a squeaky clean manner over the years. However it must be remembered that the music industry is an industry and is there like all other business's to prosper and make profit. In the early days when an artist presented a song to A&R and they were accepted for release the record company had to put an awful lot of money on the table to record and promote the works etc, etc. I play you my song, you agree that it is really great and that it could possibly be a No1 hit. I ask you to risk £100,000 of your money and say that you will receive 30 points of the royalties, up for it? One might compare the process to betting on the horses, hoping that a song was going to come in at No1, many did not and the initial revenue was never recovered. These days often major record companies are presented with a complete package including master ready works and the deals for the artist are a lot better as the record company takes less financial risk. I am not exactly pro record companies, but I can see it from both sides. Some artists have been treated badly and there is no excuses for that. But do you think that the artist is going to for better under your system? the public take and share their works for nothing, and they receive nothing, I think not. <p>
As for your software argument I am sorry but I don’t buy into that at all.<p>
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A demo version doesn't allow full use of software so the only way to check it out properly is by 'trying' a crack.
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Many package demos are available as full working versions with just the save feature disabled. You can try them and use them as the full working version. Also I can go down to my local Digital Village store and try the full working versions for as long as I like before I buy.
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How many people do you know who use cracked software and earn a living from it? None I guess?!
Oh right, so it is cool to go and steal a hard disk recorder as long as you dont earn any money with it  The funny thing is, I get the feeling that you would agree that going down to a store and physicaly taking the disc or the boxed package would be stealing and you would not condone that right? but downloading and using a cracked version from the net is Ok. Wrong, both are stealing and both are wrong.<p>
I am sorry but your argument for why the public should have illegal cracked versions of software available free for all seems to me just an excuse for justifying the illicit practice and saving cash. Not that I am insinuating that you personally participate of course. However I am suprised that you seem to be so pro the activity and I don’t believe that it is a practice that AUDIO COURSES would wish to condone either. 8O<p>
Ok I'm all done here.  <p>
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Sun Feb 29, 2004 6:47 pm |
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cRuNcHiE
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Getting back on topic of the music itself:
No, obviously it shouldnt be free, the band, engineers and unfortunatly the record Co's need to get some money for all the work, but theres a difference between making money for work and ripping people off.
If you take a wander into your local HMV you're bound to find price go from £12 to £16 at least! And not only that, but if you go in and look at cd's you bought a few years back for say £9.99, those are all suddenly £16.99!
So its pretty obvious that when people see things like that they are bound to think they are gonna get ripped off if they buy anything else from there and will get the music another way, be it downloading or taping/burning a cd from a friend.
http://www.cdwow.co.uk has been flogging cd's online for a few yrs now and if i remember right they were all priced £7.99 which to me seems a VERY reasonable price, but the record Co's were not happy with that and so have taken them to court over it (possibly still going on now) and forced them to raise their prices!
see here http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/6/35335.html
Doesnt really look like they are playing nice now does it?
As for downloading music from the internet for free, I think its a good thing.
If you ONLY download for free and never buy anything, then no, thats not good but if you do that would you really have gone out to buy the cd's in the first place? probably not so it wouldnt have actually affected the money the bands etc get.
The other good thing about the internet +music is that I, and im sure many more like me have actually been introduced to many more artists through the use of the internet which has also led me to buy their albums.
If the bands ive found are good, i'll get the album if i can find it reasonably priced, ie from cdwow. If they're rubbish then obviously i wont buy the album, and never would have in the first place. So in the long run the internet+free music has actually led to MORE cd sales......
As for software and piracy, fact is, people that can afford to, will buy the software, people that cant, wont.
If there was no pirated software i think you would find that there would be a sudden lack of skilled users of cubase etc e.g If a sound engineering student (who is more than likely hard up for £££ as students are),wants to actually be a successful sound engineer, then s/he is going to have to be able to learn to use the software properly for him/herself and to do that they NEED the software.
If they cant afford it then they are going to go and find other ways of getting it! or give up and become a binman!
Also if there was no pirated software, you would probably find that pretty much all the studios out there would be limited down to about 1 or 2 plugins ! As all the studios i have been in all have a pc in the corner somewhere with the 'dodgy' software on!
Its a vicious circle! the Engineers use pirated plugins, then the record Co's act as pirates by ripping off the consumer, then the consumer gets pirated music and software!
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Mon Mar 01, 2004 4:13 am |
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Will.W
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Hi Jules,
Firstly i would like to make it very clear- I DO NOT WISH TO PROMOTE CRACKS AS A POSITIVE ACTIVITY!I certainly dont think stealing a hard drive is cool(unless it is Peter Andre's!) or any kind of theft).
I live in Cornwall(uk's most southern county).Unfotunately we dont have a local Digital village(nearest is Bristol)or any other big 'muso' shops here.
A trip to Bristol and back will probably cost as much as a small piece of software!
Hitech music magazines(esp.with demo discs)are scarce here.WHSmiths is the best bet but are often sold out.
My quote obviously misled(and enraged )you.I didnt say downloading a crack was cool,it is an easier and more convenient option than a trip to Bristol!(im talking about trying it out!!!)
Crunchie explained it better than me:-
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If there was no pirated software i think you would find that there would be a sudden lack of skilled users of cubase etc e.g If a sound engineering student (who is more than likely hard up for £££ as students are),wants to actually be a successful sound engineer, then s/he is going to have to be able to learn to use the software properly for him/herself and to do that they NEED the software.
As for downloading MP3 music,i feel it should be free.The sound quality is far inferior to CD or vinyl.
I bought software when i bought my computer.This included Cubase 5 and Sampletank.
There was a problem with Cubase. When i reopened a song after saving it the pc just went to the eggtimer and stayed there.ie it crashed.This happened to about 50% of my songs!
After contacting Steinberg they blamed the computer company.The computer company said it was the fault of Steinberg.The problem was never solved and neither company accepted the blame!
Then theres Sampletank. Unfortunately whenever the program needs to be reinstalled a new serial no.is required.Contact IK multimedia and wait for a min. of 3 days for them to send a new no.!!!
When I bought this version I was told i could upgrade for a small sum to version 2.Finally v2 came out and I was told that this version is significantly different to V1 and I would have to pay the full price for V2(£399)!!!
NOW THAT IS DISHONESTY!
 Finally on a lighter note you used the crackers motto:-
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As for your software argument I am sorry but I don’t buy into that at all.
Phew!
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Mon Mar 01, 2004 11:02 pm |
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julesf
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Blimey M8, you make Cornwall sound like the darkest depths of outer Mongolia. Sorry to hear about you set up problems, in my experience the quality and integrity of the PC is always going to be the main factor in the final reliability of a PC based DAW. I have used Cubase since version 3.7 which was still a bit pioneering, but VST 5/32 is just fantastic, I am not a great SX lover, not because of any problems, just because the bits that weren't there anymore were bits that I like and really used. I will upgrade to SX2 as I did to SX but I also still mainly used VST5/32 which of course Steinberg allowed you to keep on the SX upgrade nice guys that that are. I am very happy and think that the price that I paid probably around £599 with the upgrades is very good value for what I am able to do with the product in my studio. I wont and don't EVER any longer buy ready made PC's I only build my own custom PC's because as you have found out the best software in the universe is only as good as the processing power that is executing the code. PC based DAW is a minefield and it will take you a lot of hours and probably a shed load of money to get it right. But when you get it right, boy what a platform you can have. Steinberg have full working demos with save disabled, you can check to see if your PC is going to work well with the software before you buy, you wont even have to go to Bristol m8 <p>
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<p>I certainly don't think stealing a hard drive is cool
I did not think that you would condone nicking a hard disk recorder, I was just making a point.<p> I intend to reply to Crunchies post and I am sorry that I have not replied to the posts in order. With reference to the statement<p>
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If there was no pirated software I think you would find that there would be a sudden lack of skilled users of Cubase etc
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I really am starting to feel that it is just me here who perhaps has the problem. I just don't see how that statement justifies stealing and using another persons hard written code.<p> With regard to Mp3's I feel that that they should be free if the owner of the works wishes them to be free for download or stream. I only have a problem when someone takes it upon themselves to rip a CD or tracks from a CD and place them in the public domain for all to download for nothing. Anyone who thinks that that is a good way to get back at the industry and is wholly fair is living in another world to me. Who can possibly win long term? <p>
As for the comment about me not buying into your argument, well I think you no what I meant, but yeh, I left myself open to that one m8 |
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Tue Mar 02, 2004 1:24 am |
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Will.W
Joined: 03 Oct 2002
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Jules,
I take your points into consideration.
I agree with you on the 'ready made' PC business....I WILL NEVER BUY ONE AGAIN!!!!
I respect your honesty too esp. in this virtual twisted evil world! But have you never copied a video or a blank tape?
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