ben m
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| Week 7 - Practical - Remixing/Dance Production Techniques |
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This week I would like to delve a little further into some of the technique we have touched upon in recent weeks.
I have uploaded a recent track of mine, a kind of house/big beat style tune, to the upload section - it's in my folder in a sub folder called "Sanctified"
There are 2 files at present in the folder, the song I have uploaded and a short clip of the song I lifted the vocal sample from - 'Sanctified' by The Commodores.
We can use this thread to discuss some of the techniques that have been implemented in the song.
To start with we'll examine the vocal sample.
As you can hear the vocal sample has had some editing and processing applied - what has been done and how?
Remember to post in this thread!
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Mon Apr 19, 2004 7:12 pm |
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iNSTiNCT2765
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hey ben, i can't download the sanctified mp3, i get some permission denied error type message but i got the commodores excerpt though...
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Mon Apr 19, 2004 10:41 pm |
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AUdIoCoUrSeS
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Instinct try again now dude, it seemed to have some odd permissions set on that one.
I fink it's fixed.
Great track Ben!
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Tue Apr 20, 2004 12:37 am |
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hoggs33
Joined: 09 Feb 2004
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Hi Ben - Love the track (Sanctified) by the way. Comments on the vocal after first listen:-
Obviously been stretched to fit the tempo of your track - without sounding chipmunkish!! as the original is somewhat slower.
I would seem also that sections have been put in a smapler and then played back or small sections of a vocal line cut up and put in the song.
Plently of panning going on!!!!
After Sundays workshop I thought I would have a go at putting some of the vocals from Stuff Like That onto a dance track I wrote - I have had to stretch the vocals as my track has a faster BPM - didn't realise I could do that in Sonar so was chuffed to **** when I realised I could. My track was in a different key so have tried to allow for that also - it seems to work for the most part - better than the original anyway!!!!! I hope to have it finished in a day or two and will upload it into my folder when its finished.
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Thu Apr 22, 2004 2:48 am |
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ben m
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Good work Duncan!
Ok, so we know that it has been timestretched to fit a new tempo, and that the timestretching has been done independent of pitch.
Lets look at the original vocal sample again - there is a kick drum that starts playing throughout. This neeeded to be removed as i wasn't using the vocal sample in the same place relative to beat 1 as in the original.
 So how did I remove it?
Hint #1 - EQ was used, but not as the main process. For a 'Brucie Bonus' 8O - can you identify the dominant/fundamental freq. of the kick drum?
The basic EQ in Cubase would be more than enough to work this one out.
Hint #2 - If you open the original in an audio editor and look at the panning you will get a big clue.
Also, I didn't use a sampler to trigger the sample - all the panning and stuttering you identified was done in a sequencer - again, how may I have done this?
I'd like you to listen to the intro, and listen to the word 'sanctified' that is played just before the 'roll the drums' sample. Anything else you've noticed? - hint - we've covered it in the Sampling questions.
And are there any effects on the vocal sample?
Finally, in the middle buildup as the drums kick in whats happening with the vocals?
I'd like more input from everyone.
Duncan - looking forward to hearing your "Stuff like that" remix - mash it up one-time rudeboy!
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Thu Apr 22, 2004 7:26 am |
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hoggs33
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Hi Ben - Just uploaded my dance mix of Stuff 0 it is in my folder - I have called it Dance Like That (Dad)!!!!!
Not sure if the mix is quite happening yet but you shuold get the general idea.
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Sun Apr 25, 2004 5:15 pm |
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griff505
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Sounds to me like you have looped a section in the middle of the word 'sanctified' to increase its length. |
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Mon Apr 26, 2004 2:15 am |
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ben m
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Ok,
I'll give you a hint but you'll still need to think logically.
Look at the original vocal waveform.
We have the vocals panned pretty much hard to one side, and a kick drum panned centrally.
Therefore, how could we remove the kick drum reasonably effectively?
If it helps think in algebraic terms! (slightly obtuse hint)
griff - you're close, it's actually time-stretched rather than looped in a sampler. You can often tell the difference if you listen closely. A looped sample will be identifiable by it the sound of 'looping' (so you'll hear a specific part of the waveform repeating) whereas Time Stretching produces a more slurred result (result of the sample being vut into parts and then stretched). In this case you can hear the vocal vibrato being 'slurred'.
Ok, what I'd like you all to do is produce an audio file of the vocal sample with the kick drum removed, and the sample time stretched to 130bpm. The sample will obviously need to be edited so that it loops well (in terms of zero corssings etc and musically in terms of beats etc)
I'd also like you to have a go at the tasks I mentioned earlier in the thread.
cheers,
ben m
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hoggs33
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Hi Ben - been having a look at the vocal sample - Using wavelab I have deleted the left (i think that's right) channel where the kick drum is panned. It does however still appear on the vocal track panned to the right. I have reduced the kick quite a lot with EQ wihtout affecting the vocal too much - did a low shelf up to about 160 Hz which got rid of mist of it but not all - dominant frequency around 80 to 160Hz?.
I am struggling to eliminate the kick drum completely though - any more clues?
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