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meneedit
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Hi guys, I recently joined these forums Cool

I thought that this looks like a good place to get some professional help with any audio probs I have.

to start off with take a quick look at this thread:

http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=212559

Nobody bothered to go into much detail there..... well some did, but it still didnt help me.

I use FL studio to make my music and it is proving quite difficult to do this trick.

In one of my most recent tracks I have a sawtooth bass playing for a couple of patterns and then the beat kicks in.

I have made it so that the kicks hihats and snares are all on the one fx track. In this FX track is fruity peak controller. I then linked the volume of the sawtooth to the volume of the drums with a slow recovery time.

So basically, the volume of the saw is fairly loud and when the drums kick in the volume level instantly drops a little and remains consistent while the drums are playing.

Now even though this happens it still sounds nothing like how it does in professionally mastered tracks.

...I don't know about you guys but I tend to agree with 'MaxSynths' about this so-called "EQ automation".

Even though the volume of the saw is dominated by the drums it still sounds like something else should be happening.

Now, personally I have messed around with linking EQ bands to things before but I do it in a very simple way compared to how 'MaxSynths' described it in my thread.

If there is anybody here that knows what is REALLY done to achieve this effect then please dont hesitate to reply.

I am dying to know how to do this.

Thank you soooooooo much for your time and I look forward to meeting everybody on this forum Cool Cool Cool
Post Thu Jul 31, 2008 1:56 am
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meneedit
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um... anybody?
Post Fri Aug 01, 2008 3:20 am
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conquistadore
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Sorry about this delayed reply!

I'm afraid this is more of a mix thing. While what has been discussed at KVR is possible, it is simply unnecessary in a mix. It can be achieved by simple Gain and EQ automation. Usually an instrument in a mix won't sound all that great in solo as it would have been EQd/processed to fit into the mix. The 'solo' instrument could also be placed on a separate track instead of automating the EQ/Gain.
Post Wed Aug 06, 2008 12:28 pm
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meneedit
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uhuh, uhuh........... but.......

how is it done (Automated EQing)

If EQ bands are going to be linked to something, what sort of EQ should be used? A parametric or a graphic?

With a parametric you can set a large bandwidth whereas with a graphic it would probably need to be one with only a few bands on it.

I just need to know how to get that professional sound.
Post Sat Aug 09, 2008 4:30 am
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Its been years since I've used FL - so I'm afraid I won't be able to get down to specifics.

Ideally, a fully parametric EQ would work best as its simply more flexible.

First, I would go about mixing my song they way I want it to sound. In your example I would mix the sawtooth bass in with the track and get it to sound the way I'd want it to sound with respect to the rest of the arrangement. Once this is achieved, I would then go to the start of the song and work on the solo sawtooth bass and get it to sound the way I would like it to sound in solo. An easy method would be to bypass all previous EQ/compression on that track and introduce a fresh instance of the EQ and sculpt the sound out. The two EQs can then be bypassed and introduced when required by automating the bypass switch. If your software does not support automation of the bypass switch, then you can automate the first EQ instance to mirror the EQ of the solo intro section (if you are not sure about how to automate EQ - check your manual!)

But, the simplest way to go about this would be to get the intro sawtooth bass onto a separate channel. Now instead of going through the pain of automating, you can just have a channel fixed for the solo section and a channel for the section with the rest of the arrangement and then EQ/process each till you get what you are looking for.

I wish I had FL around so I could get into specifics.

Hope this helps!
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meneedit
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Thanks heaps for the reply. I cant tell you how much it means.

As for having two seperate instances this isnt an option as I am after that ducking effect that comes with sidechaining. (This is for when the beat drops out and the saw will return to its harsh sound.)

thanks again. I will continue to mess around and i'll let you know how I go.
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